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In many situations, your put in a call that's pretty much 50/50 percent. For example, ppen end straights, flush draws, you have KK with A showing.....if someone is betting 8 bucks in a .5/1 table and you $25 bank roll, do you call? I know it depends but generally, would you? Yes or no?
The answer to this question in every situation should depend on your opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by hecklerjoe
Here's a little example...I sat down at a table today and picked up AQ suited first hand. I bet 5x the BB, opponent calls. Flop gives me an OESD four to a flush, plus I've got 2 overs--9 10 J 2 spades. Opponent goes all in for about a third of my stack. I'm calling this bet every time because I know it's very likely my opponet only has a jack(I have notes on the guy from playing with him before). Sure enough he shows j6 offsuit and takes down the pot. I knew my opponent and knew that I had a buttload of outs, so I called. If I had though he had flopped the straight, I would have folded outright. But because I knew that he was the kinda guy that played any 2 cards for any price preflop, I was able to narrow down what he likely had.
That's one of the things you've gotta do when you decide you're going to draw...have a good idea what your opponent has versus the chance you'll catch your hand. If you catch your hand will it hold up versus what your opponent has or is drawing to?
Open ended straight draws have a 50% chance of catching? Wow I've been playing all wrong, folding these to a pot sized bet!
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Originally Posted by hecklerjoe
The only thing remotely similar to a 50/50 chance is a pocket pair against overcards -- before the flop.
OESD and flush draw are about 3-1 against. KK with A showing? You only have two outs. If you put him on an ace, you have to fold -- unless he bets 1/24th of the pot.
In any case, if all I've got is an OESD or a flush draw, and someone bets $8 at a pot of less than $24, I have to fold.
Make calls based on who your opponent is, sure -- within the context of the pot odds for your draw. Worry about implied odds later.
To put it another way: just because you're sure he's bluffing doesn't make it a good idea to call his bet with no hand of your own.
wait so OESD nd flush draws are goin to hit what percent of this time now?
AA and KK are good hands, but don't lose your entire stack with them. Win small pots with them, and put your money on huge hands like FH, straights, flushes, etc.
NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by thestrokes
Carefull with the way the original post in this thread was worded.
An Open ended straight flush draw will hit slightly more than 1/2 the time, assuming your flush outs aren't dead.
An Open ended straight draw, will hit ~1/3 times on the turn or river.
I think strokes sarcasm went right over your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceofone
Look again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceofone
I don't think he's talking about OESFD. He's making a list, in which he includes OESD, flush draws, KK with A on the board as "50-50" situations...which, individually and collectively, they are not.
people ought to tone down sarcasm on replies, sure it's funny sometimes but someone might read it and say "oh so oesd's do hit 50% of the time"..... etc. don't be a douche
In coinflip situations I'd probably have to fold. You'll get better chances to win money later depending on how much money you're sitting on. On straight draws or flush draws, I'd fold if someone made a big bet, but on straight/flush draws, you've got a lot of outs so I'd probably call.
OLD POST:
Open ended straight draws have a 50% chance of catching? Wow I've been playing all wrong, folding these to a pot sized bet!
NEW POST:
Open ended straight draws have a 50% chance of catching? Wow I've been playing all wrong, folding these to a pot sized bet! (SARCASM)
ill do that from now on so hopefully that will keep my douchism (new word) down jmontis...
Also he had a comma in between the straight draw and flush draw so i assumed it was too separate things.
dont be douches all
cheers
i dont think anyone ever really answered the question.
Generally (meaning 95% of the time) I would fold unless i had poistive information to do the contrary.
i think i would just give them the pot, if they called your preflop raise, especially if theres more than one who called it, theres a very good chance that they have the ace. in a 10 person full ring game, there will be an ace in someones hand every hand dealt. And since most people over vaule an ace, theres a good chance that your opponent has it.