Good laydown or pussyplay ??

If u read my post in the general forum ull know I got my ass handed to me the last few days.

This has happened mostly by getting involved in pots where I didnt respect reraises.

So ive changed how I play a little, and heres an example:


Hand #4372725-16895 at Abuja (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 28/Feb/05 15:54:30

Kiriath is at seat 0 with $36.20.
jojothekid is at seat 1 with $25.10.
ACJim is at seat 2 with $9.30.
deep2 is at seat 3 with $4.55.
fastenergod is at seat 5 with $5.
Pilchard666 is at seat 6 with $24.65 (sitting out).
raidervader is at seat 7 with $14.25.
iluvlucy7733 is at seat 8 with $23.40.
sunknskipper is at seat 9 with $16.05.
The button is at seat 8.

sunknskipper posts the small blind of $.10.
Kiriath posts the big blind of $.25.
fastenergod posts out of turn for $.25.

Kiriath: Ts 4h
jojothekid: -- --
ACJim: -- --
deep2: -- --
fastenergod: -- --
raidervader: -- --
iluvlucy7733: -- --
sunknskipper: -- --

Pre-flop:

jojothekid folds. ACJim folds. deep2 calls.
fastenergod checks. raidervader calls. iluvlucy7733
folds. sunknskipper folds. Kiriath checks.

Flop (board: Tc Ah Td):

Kiriath checks. deep2 checks. fastenergod checks.
raidervader bets $1.10. Kiriath raises to $2.20.
deep2 folds. fastenergod folds. raidervader
re-raises to $3.30. Kiriath folds. raidervader is
returned $1.10 (uncalled).



Hand #4372725-16895 Summary:

$.25 is raked from a pot of $5.50.
raidervader wins $5.25.
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I was in bb, and normally fold anything but good cards. If I get good cards I always bet 1 dollar. preflop. The guy might have picked up on that I dont know.

The reason for the reraise was to test if he really had a ten, in wich case I would be in for a rough ride taking it all the way. I was expecting a pot sided rebet if he did hold the ten high kicker. So the small rebet kinda puzzled me.

I decided to stick with the plan, and folded. Good or bad ??

Couple hands later he done the same another time, making me fold outta top pair 2 kicker. And this happens:


Hand #4372725-16900 at Abuja (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 28/Feb/05 16:00:11

Kiriath is at seat 0 with $33.65.
jojothekid is at seat 1 with $24.35.
ACJim is at seat 2 with $9.35.
deep2 is at seat 3 with $4.35.
allstate is at seat 4 with $9.75.
Pilchard666 is at seat 6 with $24.65 (sitting out).
raidervader is at seat 7 with $10.15.
iluvlucy7733 is at seat 8 with $23.40.
sunknskipper is at seat 9 with $23.05.
The button is at seat 3.

allstate posts the small blind of $.10.
raidervader posts the big blind of $.25.

Kiriath: Qh Jc
jojothekid: -- --
ACJim: -- --
deep2: -- --
allstate: -- --
raidervader: -- --
iluvlucy7733: -- --
sunknskipper: -- --

Pre-flop:

iluvlucy7733 folds. sunknskipper folds. Kiriath
raises to $1. jojothekid folds. ACJim folds.
deep2 folds. allstate folds. raidervader calls.

Flop (board: 9c Jh 5s):

raidervader checks. Kiriath bets $2.10. raidervader
calls.

Turn (board: 9c Jh 5s Kd):

raidervader checks. Kiriath checks.

River (board: 9c Jh 5s Kd 6d):

raidervader bets $6.30. Kiriath calls.



Showdown:

raidervader shows Ad Ac.
raidervader has Ad Ac 9c Jh Kd: a pair of aces.
Kiriath mucks cards.
(Kiriath has Qh Jc.)


Hand #4372725-16900 Summary:

$.90 is raked from a pot of $18.90.
raidervader wins $18 with a pair of aces.
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Wrong to call that ???

Thoughs ?

good lay down

thanks!

how about my seocond hand ?

Umm I dont usually raise with QJ. Plus there is a King on the turn. Shut down with the over.

First hand = pussyplay. You had 3 Tens!

Second hand = should have folded. You had one pair with an overcard on the board and a big bet.

If you were playing aggressively and correctly in the past and had a bad run recently - count it as a bad run. Things will turn around on their own accord if you are playing good poker.

ya I agree on the second hand, shoulda folding that, was a combination of tilt over foldeing the trips, and thinking this guy was just bluffing bigtime.

Damn!!!

But id still fold the trips though.

btw, the reason I didnt put him on a king was i wouldnt call a pot bet with two overcards only, just didnt think about overpairs. doh.

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Originally Posted by r8ed

First hand = pussyplay. You had 3 Tens!

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lol. Wow! A set of tens!!!! Seriously....

The first hand was a good lay down. The guy probably read you to hit your ace. He wanted to get more out of you by re-raising, because he had the other T. Would you play a 4 kicker against that aggression? Good fold. The only way it was a pussy play was if the guy was a known maniac.

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Originally Posted by FlyingSaucy

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Originally Posted by r8ed

First hand = pussyplay. You had 3 Tens!

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lol. Wow! A set of tens!!!! Seriously....

The first hand was a good lay down. The guy probably read you to hit your ace. He wanted to get more out of you by re-raising, because he had the other T. Would you play a 4 kicker against that aggression? Good fold. The only way it was a pussy play was if the guy was a known maniac.

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thanks then =) the other hand was me loosing money to him in tilt a couple hands later =D

heres another loss. same session.


Hand #4372725-16932 at Abuja (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 28/Feb/05 16:36:11

Kiriath is at seat 0 with $24.40.
jojothekid is at seat 1 with $33.10.
cjo1031 is at seat 2 with $8.80.
deep2 is at seat 3 with $16.15.
allstate is at seat 4 with $7.55.
showmes is at seat 5 with $5.
shawnr7 is at seat 6 with $11.50.
raidervader is at seat 7 with $18.30.
caperider2 is at seat 8 with $25.
sunknskipper is at seat 9 with $7.35.
The button is at seat 7.

sunknskipper posts the small blind of $.10.
Kiriath posts the big blind of $.25.

Kiriath: Kd Ah
jojothekid: -- --
cjo1031: -- --
deep2: -- --
allstate: -- --
showmes: -- --
shawnr7: -- --
raidervader: -- --
sunknskipper: -- --

Pre-flop:

jojothekid folds. cjo1031 calls. deep2 calls.
allstate folds. showmes calls. shawnr7 folds.
raidervader folds. sunknskipper calls. Kiriath
raises to $1.25. cjo1031 folds. deep2 folds.
showmes calls. sunknskipper folds.

Flop (board: 5d 6d 5s):

Kiriath bets $3.25. showmes goes all-in for $3.75.
Kiriath calls.

Turn (board: 5d 6d 5s 6c):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 5d 6d 5s 6c 8c):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

showmes shows Th Td.
showmes has Th Td 6d 6c 8c: two pair, tens and sixes.
Kiriath mucks cards.
(Kiriath has Kd Ah.)


Hand #4372725-16932 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $10.75.
showmes wins $10.25 with two pair, tens and sixes.
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what u guys think ? sucky play ? I read somewhere here that ak unpaired postflop with healthy rasise preflop was ok to bet. Thats what I did, the reason for pot bet was, that I figured if he call a halfpot bet we would end up all in anyway. so might as well try to scare him now than later.

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Originally Posted by Kiriath

what u guys think ? sucky play ? I read somewhere here that ak unpaired postflop with healthy rasise preflop was ok to bet. Thats what I did, the reason for pot bet was, that I figured if he call a halfpot bet we would end up all in anyway. so might as well try to scare him now than later.

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As long as you're the agrressor here, you had outs. I'd question calling an all in with your hand on that board though, but betting the flop was koo.

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Originally Posted by Triptanes

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Originally Posted by Kiriath

what u guys think ? sucky play ? I read somewhere here that ak unpaired postflop with healthy rasise preflop was ok to bet. Thats what I did, the reason for pot bet was, that I figured if he call a halfpot bet we would end up all in anyway. so might as well try to scare him now than later.

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As long as you're the agrressor here, you had outs. I'd question calling an all in with your hand on that board though, but betting the flop was koo.

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okay thanks, my thoughs excatly.

im learning !!!

Getting Hand History Information...
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Hand #4372768-10452 at Adma (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 28/Feb/05 17:15:01

Jamase607 is at seat 3 with $15.45.
Neenly is at seat 5 with $23.50.
Musashimaru is at seat 6 with $18.95 (sitting out).
Kiriath is at seat 7 with $28.25.
bassguy206 is at seat 8 with $6.15.
The button is at seat 5.

Kiriath posts the small blind of $.10.
bassguy206 posts the big blind of $.25.

Jamase607: -- --
Neenly: -- --
Kiriath: Qc Ad
bassguy206: -- --

Pre-flop:

Jamase607 calls. Neenly raises to $.50. Kiriath
re-raises to $2. bassguy206 calls. Jamase607 folds.
Neenly goes all-in for $23.50. Kiriath folds.
bassguy206 goes all-in for $6.15. Neenly is returned
$17.35 (uncalled).

Flop (board: 7h Th 7d):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: 7h Th 7d Qs):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 7h Th 7d Qs Jc):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

Neenly shows Kc Kh.
Neenly has Kc Kh 7h 7d Qs: two pair, kings and sevens.
bassguy206 shows Ac 3c.
bassguy206 has Ac 7h 7d Qs Jc: a pair of sevens.


Hand #4372768-10452 Summary:

$.70 is raked from a pot of $14.55.
Neenly wins $13.85 with two pair, kings and sevens.
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*proud* !!!

and another =D

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Hand #4372768-10457 at Adma (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 28/Feb/05 17:18:19

Jamase607 is at seat 3 with $13.75.
Neenly is at seat 5 with $29.60.
Kiriath is at seat 7 with $29.25.
bassguy206 is at seat 8 with $4.75.
The button is at seat 7.

bassguy206 posts the small blind of $.10.
Jamase607 posts the big blind of $.25.

Jamase607: -- --
Neenly: -- --
Kiriath: Kh Jh
bassguy206: -- --

Pre-flop:

Neenly calls. Kiriath raises to $1.10. bassguy206
goes all-in for $4.75. Jamase607 re-raises to $8.40.
Neenly folds. Kiriath folds. Jamase607 is returned
$3.65 (uncalled).

Flop (board: 5d 9c Qs):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: 5d 9c Qs 2h):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 5d 9c Qs 2h Qh):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

Jamase607 shows As Ad.
Jamase607 has As Ad 9c Qs Qh: two pair, aces and queens.
bassguy206 shows Ts Ah.
bassguy206 has Ts Ah 9c Qs Qh: a pair of queens.


Hand #4372768-10457 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $10.85.
Jamase607 wins $10.35 with two pair, aces and queens.
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The second hand you posted: Easy fold on the river.

If he was drawing for a better pair and hit it on the turn, he'll check to induce a bet on the river. Gotta lay it down assuming he's got AK or some such.

-'rilla

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

The second hand you posted: Easy fold on the river.

If he was drawing for a better pair and hit it on the turn, he'll check to induce a bet on the river. Gotta lay it down assuming he's got AK or some such.

-'rilla

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okay, ya that seems logical, hehe, I got lots to learn I see, so ya, easy fold from now on.

Hehe my best pot for tonight!!

I think ill keep potbetting with bigslick and ragflop after big preflop raise!!

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Hand #4372768-10490 at Adma (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 28/Feb/05 17:38:29

Bigmason1 is at seat 0 with $0 (sitting out).
The Governor is at seat 1 with $11.65.
EstrangedOne is at seat 2 with $35.
peasac7 is at seat 3 with $30.55.
fitbaw is at seat 4 with $10.
Neenly is at seat 5 with $36.65.
OGDawg22 is at seat 6 with $22.10.
Kiriath is at seat 7 with $24.65.
SniperXXX is at seat 8 with $23.20.
cjo1031 is at seat 9 with $10.
The button is at seat 1.

EstrangedOne posts the small blind of $.10.
peasac7 posts the big blind of $.25.
cjo1031 posts out of turn for $.25.

The Governor: -- --
EstrangedOne: -- --
peasac7: -- --
Neenly: -- --
OGDawg22: -- --
Kiriath: Ah Kd
SniperXXX: -- --
cjo1031: -- --

Pre-flop:

Neenly calls. OGDawg22 folds. Kiriath raises to
$1.35. SniperXXX calls. cjo1031 folds. The
Governor calls. EstrangedOne folds. peasac7 folds.
Neenly folds.

Flop (board: 3h 7d 5c):

Kiriath bets $4.90. SniperXXX folds. The Governor
calls.

Turn (board: 3h 7d 5c Kc):

Kiriath bets $14.70. The Governor goes all-in for
$5.40. Kiriath is returned $9.30 (uncalled).

River (board: 3h 7d 5c Kc Qd):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

Kiriath shows Ah Kd.
Kiriath has Ah Kd 7d Kc Qd: a pair of kings.
The Governor shows 4c 4s.
The Governor has 4c 4s 7d Kc Qd: a pair of fours.


Hand #4372768-10490 Summary:

$1.25 is raked from a pot of $25.50.
Kiriath wins $24.25 with a pair of kings.
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mmm great =D

First hand with the 10s? That was stupid...

OK...so you've got a 4 as a kicker. WHO FRIGGIN' CARES? Chances are, you're not going to be using that 4 as a kicker; you'll be using the river as your kicker, or perhaps it will pair the board and your kicker won't matter! Either way, you should call that bet.

And that's ASSUMING the other guy has a 10. With that minimum reraise, he probably put you on A and a good kicker testing to see where he was at...so he reraised you right back!

Other one...that sucks. I'm sorry. That would ahve been a decent fold.