Regarding Dukesoccer, from Education of a Poker Player
Couldn't help but think of this excerpt from the old book "Education of a Poker Player" when reading the posts. In this passage, Monty, the operator of the local poker room catches a cheater. The cheater, Lolly, explains that there is very little moral difference (if any) between cheating and outplaying.
From “Education of a Poker Player”
When Lolly didn’t answer, Monty yelled, “Where’d you learn to deal seconds?”
“I don’t know what you mean." Lolly answered innocently.
“You can tell me about it or I’ll break both those beautiful goddamned hands of yours.”
The stranger eyed Monty’s huge fists but showed no fear. “All right,” he said in an even voice, “I was dealing seconds. How did you know?”
“They make a slight swish when you pull them from the deck, as you damn well know. How much did you win? The kid says you took out one hundred dollars.” He turned to me. “Bring in his chips.” I brought them and told Monty they added up to 425.
“Where’d you learn these tricks?” Monty asked.
“From my Uncle Charley. He was a magician.”
“Don’t you ever feel sorry for the suckers you fleece?”
“No I don’t. My method is painless. I give them the ax. You bleed them to death slowly.”
“Curious philosophy for a card sharp.”
“Not for a realist. You remind me of a friend I hunt ducks with. He says it’s unsportsmanslike to kill ducks with large caliber shotguns. He uses a 20 gauge, a small bore, and kills more ducks than I do with my blunderbuss. I wonder whether it’s less painful to die by his gun than mine. The ducks might give a surprising answer.”
“At least the players get a gamble here.” Monty insisted.
“Between themselves they do. Not with you playing.”
“Why not? I told you the game is on the level.”
“With one exception. You won’t play unless you know you have the best hand. I won’t play unless I know I have the best hand unless I deliberately want another to win. Will you play with a weak hand?”
“Hell no”
“Will a sucker?”
“The sucker doesn’t know what a good hand is. That’s the reason he’s a sucker.”
“Monty,” said the stranger, “I heard the kid call you that-it’s an old matter of debate. Something like how many angels can stand on the point of a needle. You win on superior experience and finesse; I win because I’m a card manipulator. You deal with percentages; I deal seconds. Essentially we’re no different. In the end we both bleed the sucker.”
Not Dukesoccer's brother...
I'm not a colluding brother by any means. I am the guy that told Duke about this site though, and what a great resource it is. I do play poker against him online quite a bit, and I respect his play. I think you guys were pretty hard on him, (although I didn't get a chance to read any of his posts because they were all deleted by the time I got here and maybe he had it coming). While this is my first post on the site, I have been a fan and a reader for a long time. I did experiment with collusion once in my early days. I found that it wasn't worth the time or the energy, (or the risk of being banned) and I found that the time and concentration it required interfered with my focus on the game. I do however feel that having some experience with collusion enables one to protect against it, just as experience at manipulating a deck helps one to spot it. I play better straight up, and I prefer to work on developing my instincts and my game rather than working on tricks. If you guys would have given Duke half a chance you would have found that he is of the same mindset, at least from my experience in talking to him at the tables.
Re: Not Dukesoccer's brother...
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Originally Posted by toontown
If you guys would have given Duke half a chance you would have found that he is of the same mindset, at least from my experience in talking to him at the tables.
There are no second chances here.
Whatever he did before doesn't matter to me. It's when he blew his lid and bombarded our forums with porn pics and dozens of duplicate spam messages that he crossed the line.
well thanks for the welcome
Like I said I have been around here for awhile and I reccomend the site to a lot of people. Keep up the good work.
