Was this the right play?

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01-22-2005, 10:38 PM
ka24_det

Was this the right play?

***** Hand History for Game 1477110185 *****
$25 PL Hold'em - Saturday, January 22, 22:26:02 EDT 2005
Table Dances with Wolves (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: cpain ( $24 )
Seat 2: gamer55 ( $51.3 )
Seat 3: ka24_det ( $29.65 )
Seat 4: simbahead ( $47.3 )
Seat 5: thesnackbar ( $29.8 )
Seat 6: Amack1 ( $16.75 )
Seat 7: DocD10 ( $28.6 )
Seat 8: BIG_FLOPO ( $24.25 )
Seat 9: NavyStreet ( $24.85 )
Seat 10: RiverMan112 ( $25 )
cpain posts small blind [$0.25].
ka24_det: ooh..
gamer55 is sitting out.
ka24_det posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ka24_det [ Qs Ac ]
simbahead folds.
gamer55 has left the table.
thesnackbar: yikes
thesnackbar calls [$0.5].
Amack1 folds.
DocD10 calls [$0.5].
BIG_FLOPO folds.
ka24_det: that hurts :P
NavyStreet calls [$0.5].
RiverMan112 folds.
cpain calls [$0.25].
ka24_det: nice hand
ka24_det raises [$1.5].
thesnackbar raises [$7].
DocD10 folds.
simbahead: ty
NavyStreet calls [$7].
cpain folds.
simbahead: i thought you had 2 hearts
ka24_det calls [$5.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, 3d, 4h ]
ka24_det bets [$5].
thesnackbar raises [$20].
whiteguy8304 has joined the table.
NavyStreet folds.
ka24_det is all-In [$17.15]
thesnackbar calls [$2.15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
thesnackbar shows [ 8d, Qd ] a flush, ace high.
ka24_det doesn't show [ Qs, Ac ] a pair of aces.
thesnackbar wins $64.8 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

I had him beat at the flop, and pot odds where in my favor, I cant see any mistake in my play. I felt that I bet it right, and he made a foolish bet, but got lucky. Am I right?
01-22-2005, 10:44 PM
mimmons775

you got all your money in with the best hand, thats all you can do. If they outdraw you, thats poker
01-23-2005, 01:31 AM
veritech

Re: Was this the right play?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ka24_det

***** Hand History for Game 1477110185 *****
$25 PL Hold'em - Saturday, January 22, 22:26:02 EDT 2005
Table Dances with Wolves (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: cpain ( $24 )
Seat 2: gamer55 ( $51.3 )
Seat 3: ka24_det ( $29.65 )
Seat 4: simbahead ( $47.3 )
Seat 5: thesnackbar ( $29.8 )
Seat 6: Amack1 ( $16.75 )
Seat 7: DocD10 ( $28.6 )
Seat 8: BIG_FLOPO ( $24.25 )
Seat 9: NavyStreet ( $24.85 )
Seat 10: RiverMan112 ( $25 )
cpain posts small blind [$0.25].
ka24_det: ooh..
gamer55 is sitting out.
ka24_det posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ka24_det [ Qs Ac ]
simbahead folds.
gamer55 has left the table.
thesnackbar: yikes
thesnackbar calls [$0.5].
Amack1 folds.
DocD10 calls [$0.5].
BIG_FLOPO folds.
ka24_det: that hurts :P
NavyStreet calls [$0.5].
RiverMan112 folds.
cpain calls [$0.25].
ka24_det: nice hand
ka24_det raises [$1.5].
thesnackbar raises [$7].
DocD10 folds.
simbahead: ty
NavyStreet calls [$7].
cpain folds.
simbahead: i thought you had 2 hearts
ka24_det calls [$5.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, 3d, 4h ]
ka24_det bets [$5].
thesnackbar raises [$20].
whiteguy8304 has joined the table.
NavyStreet folds.
ka24_det is all-In [$17.15]
thesnackbar calls [$2.15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
thesnackbar shows [ 8d, Qd ] a flush, ace high.
ka24_det doesn't show [ Qs, Ac ] a pair of aces.
thesnackbar wins $64.8 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

I had him beat at the flop, and pot odds where in my favor, I cant see any mistake in my play. I felt that I bet it right, and he made a foolish bet, but got lucky. Am I right?

Betting pre flop:
How aggressive had thesnackbar (TSB) been playing prior to this hand??? It is obvious he was aggressive on this hand. You put in the right bet preflop 3x the BB. If TSB was playing aggressive in previous hands I don't like just calling an aggressive raise with AQ. IMHO a reraise would have been in order. Now if TSB is really aggressive, he wold have called the reraise but even to an aggressive player Qd8d is hard to call when getting reraised back.

Betting on the Flop:
You bet 5 into a pot with 21.75 in it you have no diamond. Now TSB has 4 to 1 on his money to just call with two cards to go. He has the right pot odds here. He has the near nut flush with only the Kd to worry about. he is aggressive so he raises 20. You go AI and it only costs him 2.15 more to call. A better bet might have been to bet out the size of the pot. The small bet only invited TSB in. If you were more aggressive on the preflop betting, a strong bet after the flop might also have slowed down TSB.

TSB had some really good implied odds after the flop so I don't see the big raise after the flop as being foolish. The big reraise before the flop is a whole different manner.

Best Regards,

VF-1

edited for grammer
01-23-2005, 02:30 AM
a500lbgorilla

Agree with about.

Also, why call his 20 raise overtop?

Respect his aggression and lay down TPTK, I feel. Or just avoid that whole raise by leading out for 12 or better. The 5 was a very weak bet.

-'rilla
01-23-2005, 03:23 PM
montimus

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Agree with about.

Or just avoid that whole raise by leading out for 12 or better. The 5 was a very weak bet.

-'rilla

Doing this may have avoided this whole messy situation.

The flop bet was only a quarter of the pot...rather than making him play for all his chips and putting him to the test, you allowed him to put you in that situation, and that's not what you want.
01-23-2005, 06:34 PM
ka24_det

Yah I can cleary see that now, Im not that expierenced at ring games, I play 3table Sng's mostly and single table sngs .. Im not so good when it comes to real money I guess. My problem is, that I am thinking in the mindset of a tourney, where I made a bet a quarter of the pot, thought process I had was that I was making a bet for a decent chunk of his chips. In a tourney this works, but I can see why it doesnt in ring games.

I just have an all around hard time at ring games, because I play like there is an end. In an SnG I have to protect my stack from rising blinds, there is no such thing in ring games, and this is why I will make a nice agressive play early on hit big, then Ill lose my stack. I think my main problem is I dont know when to stop at the ring games. Is there any good guide lines? like youve won 4 or 5x the buy in? I would be happy to walk away from a ring game with 4x the buy in, but I have trouble doing it because of my tourney mentality.

Any suggestions?
01-23-2005, 07:53 PM
ka24_det

***** Hand History for Game 1481805790 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Sunday, January 23, 19:47:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 11432 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: pauly360 ( $18.5 )
Seat 3: ArthurD123 ( $25.15 )
Seat 4: jerzyblueyes ( $22 )
Seat 5: Grinderzzz ( $24.11 )
Seat 6: meowizer ( $95.82 )
Seat 8: broncos28 ( $10.51 )
Seat 9: horney926 ( $19.5 )
Seat 10: Da_Douche ( $1.3 )
Seat 1: ka24_det ( $22.35 )
Seat 7: mooseb61 ( $14.35 )
pauly360 posts small blind [$0.25].
ArthurD123 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ka24_det [ Qs Tc ]
jerzyblueyes folds.
Grinderzzz folds.
ka24_det: what an ugly flop
meowizer raises [$1.33].
meowizer: not for me
mooseb61 folds.
broncos28 folds.
horney926 calls [$1.33].
Da_Douche is all-In [$1.3]
ka24_det: no sh!t :P
ka24_det calls [$1.33].
pauly360 calls [$1.08].
ArthurD123 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Ad, 9c ]
pauly360 checks.
meowizer: you just loved those Kings
meowizer bets [$2.9].
horney926 calls [$2.9].
ka24_det: ;)
ka24_det calls [$2.9].
pauly360 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
meowizer bets [$3.2].
horney926 calls [$3.2].
ka24_det raises [$10].
meowizer calls [$6.8].
horney926 folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
meowizer bets [$20].
ka24_det is all-In [$8.12]
meowizer shows [ Qc, Ah ] a full house, Queens full of aces.
Da_Douche doesn't show [ Ac, Kc ] two pairs, aces and queens.
ka24_det doesn't show [ Qs, Tc ] a full house, Queens full of nines.
meowizer wins $11.88 from side pot #2 with a full house, Queens full of aces.
meowizer wins $45.86 from side pot #1 with a full house, Queens full of aces.
meowizer wins $6.65 from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of aces.

heres another one. How in the hell could I have folded that? Espeacially after the 9 fell, what could they have? AQ thats all right?
I just dont get how I avoid situations like this. preflop bet that wasnt even 3xBB. Did I get bit by a shark or what? I dont get it.
01-23-2005, 07:55 PM
ka24_det

and here is the hand before that.

***** Hand History for Game 1481800016 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Sunday, January 23, 19:46:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 11432 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: pauly360 ( $19 )
Seat 3: ArthurD123 ( $25.15 )
Seat 4: jerzyblueyes ( $22 )
Seat 5: Grinderzzz ( $24.11 )
Seat 6: meowizer ( $88.07 )
Seat 8: broncos28 ( $10.51 )
Seat 9: horney926 ( $21 )
Seat 10: Da_Douche ( $1.3 )
Seat 1: ka24_det ( $28.85 )
Seat 7: mooseb61 ( $14.35 )
ka24_det posts small blind [$0.25].
pauly360 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ka24_det [ Kh Kd ]
ArthurD123 folds.
jerzyblueyes folds.
Grinderzzz folds.
meowizer calls [$0.5].
mooseb61 folds.
broncos28 folds.
horney926 calls [$0.5].
Da_Douche folds.
ka24_det raises [$1.25].
pauly360 folds.
meowizer calls [$1].
horney926 calls [$1].
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, 5d, Ah ]
ka24_det bets [$2].
meowizer calls [$2].
horney926 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
ka24_det checks.
meowizer checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
ka24_det checks.
meowizer bets [$3].
ka24_det calls [$3].
meowizer shows [ Ad, Jh ] a full house, Aces full of jacks.
ka24_det doesn't show [ Kh, Kd ] two pairs, aces and kings.
meowizer wins $14.25 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of jacks.

I just dont understand how I constantly run into this crap. Time and time again. I understand cards get cracked, but I swear I never slow play anyone, People always hit the nuts on the turn when I try and slow play off the flop. I think Ive slow played pocket rockets once succesfully.

Am I just unlucky or is there an obvious flaw in my play on these two hands.