Implied odds with a player shortstacked?

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11-28-2004, 03:31 PM
UncalledAces

Implied odds with a player shortstacked?

In my poker career I have tried to play as many tournaments as a can, sit and go, MTTs, Rebuys, Add-ons anything. As an example lets say I am on the BB and am dealt 9s 10s the player under the gun is short stacked with 700 chips and calls the 100 blind. Everybody else folds to me and the flop comes up As 6d 2s. For some reason I check, the player goes all-in. He was crippled early in the tournament on a bad beat and has played tighter then something really tight up until now. I know easily he has aces with queen kicker or better. The 600 chips he put into the pot do not justify a call based on the odds I am getting but if I call and win I eliminate him and get a better chance in the tourney. What is the appropriete play here?
11-28-2004, 04:03 PM
a500lbgorilla

Personally, I'd call if it isn't much of my stack and it was ITM or on the bubble. I'd fold if we were still a ways away from the money or if it's like 1/3 of my stack.

-'rilla
11-28-2004, 07:50 PM
frankie

i bet he had two pair. He limped in with A shit kicker. It hit. Not worth the odd to chase the flush.
11-29-2004, 02:26 PM
dalecooper

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Originally Posted by frankie

i bet he had two pair. He limped in with A shit kicker. It hit. Not worth the odd to chase the flush.

Strange assessment. I mean it's certainly possible, although I would think most players that short-stacked would go all in with aces, with or without a second pair, and with or without a strong kicker. Either way, your odds are about the same. He's not likely to improve his 2 pair, if that's what he has (just four outs to make it a boat). If it's two pair or one pair, the flush takes it down if you call, so that's roughly a 1 in 3 shot. I agree with 'rilla: if your stack can easily absorb the blow of a loss, and if you're near or in the money already, go ahead and call it. In a tournament, to increase your stack and knock a player out, it's worth some extra risk that compensates for the lack of pot odds.

It would be nice to have more outs though. I prefer making this kind of call when I also have a pair or straight draw of some kind.