Too much limping?

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10-01-2004, 11:48 AM
DrNoChance

Too much limping?

I've been trying hard to plug up my NLHE ring game leaks. Next up on the list: pre-flop aggression (or lack thereof).

Ironically I have no problem with this in SnG tourney play, but I fear I am doing far too much limping at the 10 handed ring tables:

Hands I limp at a full 10 man table:

AA/KK/QQ: Sometimes limped from UTG/UTG +1, but rarely.

JJ/TT: Limped from the front of the table, raised from mid/late position.
AK/AQ: Same as above, with AQ being limped slightly more often. TJ Cloutier says that these hands are "very sensible hands to raise from around back with, but are a piece of cheese to raise with from the front. If you get called, where are you with this hand?". On some tables that are loose against pre-flop raises I might raise AK from any position.

77/88/99: Raised only from mid-late/late position. Otherwise limped.

66/55/44/33/22: Limped from all positions.

Now for the crap:

KQs/KJs/AJs/QJs: Played only mid-late position or later. Limp behind limpers. Open raise. Maybe try to pick off a single limper with a raise with AJs/KQs.

QTs/JTs/KTs/ATs: Pretty much same as above, only late position with multiple limpers. Maybe an open raise on the button.

A9s/A8s/A7s: Again late position in multiway pots only. Maybe an open raise on the button.

T9s/89s/etc.: Limped in late position only in multiway pots.

AJo/KQo/KJo/ATo: These I wonder about the most. CO or button only for KJ/ATo, maybe AJo/KQo one position before CO. I usually limp these unless I'm opening the pot. I might try to pick off a single loose limper if I'm in late position with AJo/KQo. I don't like multiway pots with these if there's a ton of limpers since I worry about domination and too much chance of hitting 2nd best. Am I limping these too much?

QJo/JTo/KTo: Almost always a muck at a full table, especially JTo.

Am I limping too much, or does this sound about right?
10-01-2004, 01:46 PM
Krapp

Re: Too much limping?

My NL starting hands has gotten a bit rusty, but most of this looks fine to me:

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Originally Posted by DrNoChance

AA/KK/QQ: Sometimes limped from UTG/UTG +1, but rarely.

I would put AA/KK in a different category then QQ. Limping AA/KK only to tryign to get a reaise/re-raise situation.

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AK/AQ:

I prefer AK as a raising hand from any position. AQ I might fold early, limp middle, raise late position.

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77/88/99:

I mostly limp these

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KQs/KJs/AJs/QJs: Played only mid-late position or later. Limp behind limpers. Open raise. Maybe try to pick off a single limper with a raise with AJs/KQs.

QTs/JTs/KTs/ATs: Pretty much same as above, only late position with multiple limpers. Maybe an open raise on the button.

I will play these early, mostly limping. Late position could be a open raise.

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A9s/A8s/A7s: Again late position in multiway pots only. Maybe an open raise on the button.

I would seldom raise these

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AJo/KQo/KJo/ATo: These I wonder about the most. CO or button only for KJ/ATo, maybe AJo/KQo one position before CO. I usually limp these unless I'm opening the pot. I might try to pick off a single loose limper if I'm in late position with AJo/KQo. I don't like multiway pots with these if there's a ton of limpers since I worry about domination and too much chance of hitting 2nd best. Am I limping these too much?

Good hands in late poistion to limp, can open raise if late and less opps.

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QJo/JTo/KTo: Almost always a muck at a full table, especially JTo.

Can be played in late position

I would also add alot of junk can be played on the button, more so than limit holdem since your implied odds vs bet size (e.g. limping) is more favorable.

I didnt see you mention connected suitors, 1-gap suitors. They are good limping hands in late position. Also at looser tables I might tend to limp more the drawing hands (in late position) vs the big-card hands (e.g. AJ)
10-01-2004, 03:02 PM
Fnord

Re: Too much limping?

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Originally Posted by DrNoChance

AJo/KQo/KJo/ATo: These I wonder about the most. CO or button only for KJ/ATo, maybe AJo/KQo one position before CO. I usually limp these unless I'm opening the pot. I might try to pick off a single loose limper if I'm in late position with AJo/KQo. I don't like multiway pots with these if there's a ton of limpers since I worry about domination and too much chance of hitting 2nd best. Am I limping these too much?

I would never limp any of these hands for the reasons given above.
10-01-2004, 04:40 PM
DrNoChance

Re: Too much limping?

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Originally Posted by DrNoChance

AJo/KQo/KJo/ATo: These I wonder about the most. CO or button only for KJ/ATo, maybe AJo/KQo one position before CO. I usually limp these unless I'm opening the pot. I might try to pick off a single loose limper if I'm in late position with AJo/KQo. I don't like multiway pots with these if there's a ton of limpers since I worry about domination and too much chance of hitting 2nd best. Am I limping these too much?

I would never limp any of these hands for the reasons given above.

So if you play them then, it's always a raise? I just worry that if I raise and get called I've got to be behind. I feel like I may as well have raised with 72o for all the good top pair might do me post flop if I raise and get called and I'm holding KJo.

I'm assuming that you rarely play these hands at all (I know how you feel about AJo in particular :wink: )?
10-01-2004, 04:53 PM
Krapp

These are fairly strong hands in an unraised preflop pot, 1-2 limpers and your in late position. I think calling or raising are 2 choices, but I do believe you need to play them and at least see the flop. Maybe you can pass them up more frequently based on how loose the table is.