the feeling you get when you are dealt KK,
raise, get called A flops, fold to midium raise and seeing the K on turn
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the feeling you get when you are dealt KK,
raise, get called A flops, fold to midium raise and seeing the K on turn
Why would fold to medium raise in that spot? I understand you are put in a tough position, but a reraise should be in order there i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllinLife
You raised preflop, represent the ace yourself. If your opponent calls your reraise, you have to put him on Ace w/whatever or A w/hight kicker and check at the turn. You may get a free peek at the river because of your reraise at the turn. I think you reraise and give your opposition a chance to fold or at least confirm that you may be drawing dead unless a miracle K pops up somewhere along the line.
This is becoming more of a question of how to play KK.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJgoneMAD
If you play KK like you would play JJ or 77, only checking / calling small bets unless you can trip it, than you are missing a lot of value (Oh, I feel like Fnord when I say that.)
If you play hard even after an A comes down, you must not play in $5 - $20 tournaments (I'm sure it happens in higher limit as well) People hold on to Aces. People call all-in with A6, and sometimes win. When you hold KK, and an A comes down, be cautious, but not scared.
Others may represent it, others may have it with a bad kicker, or others may be playing into it, knowing they can beat that pair of Aces. But you have a good hand. Don't fold to any sign of strength, and make sure you show strength yourself.
I don't think it's always a good idea to re-raise to a medium bet. Most of the time that is just wasting money. But if you can afford it, don't fold to a medium bet either. And if you can't afford to call a medium bet, and you're not pot commited to call a medium bet, you should have pushed all-in before the flop.
However, I know what you are talking about allinlife. There have been many pocket pairs that I have paid to see the flop, folded on the flop and would have turned or rivered trips. There have even been a couple of times that I would have floped or turned quads. Most recently, this morning.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=1987
I regret it, but I can't do anything about it. I just have to put it in the same category as when I fold 93o and the flop comes 993.
I think I'd rather re-raise or fold as opposed to calling. If you call, then you're setting yourself to be faced with having to call a turn bet, and then what are you going to do? If you re-raise, at least its possible that you'll fold out a bluffer or an A with low kicker.
Still, folding is looking pretty good to me.
At small stakes with a good amount of money behind you, check/fold to the Ace.
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As Humpty pointed out, this turned into more of a strategy discussion.
If we are talking about small stakes SnGs, we are talking about a totally different situation. I was asking a very similar question to humph the other day, but my questions were about QQ, JJ, and TT.
That's the gripe i had about playing QQ, JJ, and TT. That i just didn't see that much value in those when i play 5 to $10 SnGs. Whatever the case though, i'd still reraise as long as i'm not severly shortstacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrind
I'd do that if i was short stacked, but i would never call a raise in that situation whether it'd be ring games or SnG.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNatural
If you are short stacked and delt KK. You don't need to know how to play it post flop. You have already gone all-in pre-flop. Go all in, call all in and no regrets if you are cracked by A7o.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJgoneMAD
Bubble or no bubble. Whether the blinds will take someone else out soon or not, you need to get your chips in when you have a good hand, and unless your opponent is hooked up to a polygraph and tells you he has Aces, you should go all-in.
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Thank you so much Ripp, i now know my job here is done lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripptyde
You are right, for probably most situations when short stacked. But for me, it really depends on the level, the size of the blind. If i have some 3 to 400chips left in front of me at say level 2 or 3, i might fold my KK even if i raised coming into the pot. If i feel that i'm beat, i'll give myself a chance to play more hands as long as the blinds aren't huge. But if my stack can absorb some loss, then yes, i would raise. I wasn't clear when i said i agreed with TheNatural's comment, but i wasn't really thinking of situations when the blinds are gigantic. I mean, i don't think you give up on a SnG or should just go AI holding KK just because you are severely short stacked. To me, it all depends on the blind. Although, i do play the AA like a maniac LOL :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrind
But, if you think about it... what the heck do i know LOL. I just started to rebuild my bankroll and i'm talking like i know something heehee :oops:
It's all good humph, kick my ass.. i don't know what the heck i'm doing here talking about strategies :roll:
thanks so much for the tournament tips.
but what would be the smart move when it's a ring game?
when I raised about 3x bb and after flop 4 people call,
after the A flop, one guy puts out a bet that is about 40% of the pot
and another guy calls. I think to my self, one of thems gotta have the
aces and folded.
Definitely a good fold in that case, AllinLife.
Since it fits here, here's a link to a thread where I posted an obvious fold with KK that I had yesterday, towards the bottom of the thread. http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=1965
lol I just realized I was on tilt when I wrote this
my question started like "how to get over those 2 outters hit after you fold"
oh well, I guess it's not too bad
That is exactly how I would play it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllinLife