I quit playing professionally in May 2012, and just recently started putting in some volume - 10k hands a month or so - reaaaaal voluume amirite?
Waitlists and scripting idiots really tilt me and I've already seen some lolplays by Zoom regs so I figured games are still beatable and Zoom would be optimal for putting in hands. Purpose of the challenge is to make myself suffer a bit, develop a solid work ethic, and make some $. I rarely played more than 25hrs/wk so a 30-35hrs/wk grind will be brutal for me.
BR is 13.4k, I will play 4 tables of 2/5 ZOOM until I bust probably, but small chance I move down to 1/2 if it goes terribly.
1st sesh went okay, A-game. I might be folding too many rivers in medium pots, and prob the only reason why my redline is breakeven or down - something I will focus on for next few days.
Anyone have image-posting site recommendations?
10-21-2014, 12:36 PM
Sup3rM4N
Good luck! Would love to see some HHs as well.
I use imgur which seems to be working good for me.
10-21-2014, 07:39 PM
Alexos
Battles have been won and lost, blood has been shed, but the soldier gets tougher every day. Thank god for today's rungood, because yesterday reminded me why I stopped playing poker full-time. Hands to come eventually.
Fun hand from yesterday. I really tanked cuz the guy was 18/10 or something, and not positionally aware. But ty pokerstars for showing me he was playing on an ipad ;)
Button had 10:spade:, Q:club: (high card, King).
Hero had A:diamond:, 10:diamond: (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $1,035.90
10-22-2014, 03:57 PM
Sup3rM4N
Hahahaha. Wow. nh sir.
Are you 4 tabling? I feel like the hands/hr seems a little low for 4 zoom tables.
10-22-2014, 04:07 PM
Alexos
Yep, it's about 700 hands an hour last time I checked? I play kinda slow esp when you get 200-300bb deep
10-22-2014, 05:51 PM
Alexos
Two hands I just played.
1) He opens 22% UTG, but kinda passive postflop. I think KTdd and KJdd play exactly like this. For some reason the fact I blocked KQdd, and that he might have just a naked Kd bluff made me call at the last second but meh!
Biggest hand from the other day. If we consider my range I think I need to include a hand like this in my flop raising range. Something like Axss is a much better call since it keeps other smaller flushes in the pot. I have 32.4% vs his tighest range of sets and 78ss, and am getting 2:1 on his shove. Agree, or spew?
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1) He opens 22% UTG, but kinda passive postflop. I think KTdd and KJdd play exactly like this. For some reason the fact I blocked KQdd, and that he might have just a naked Kd bluff made me call at the last second but meh!
Hero had J:diamond:, J:spade: (two pair, Kings and Jacks).
SB had A:heart:, A:diamond: (two pair, Aces and Kings).
Outcome: SB won $1,454
1) I think preflop is a 3bet/fold but regardless you are too far up in your flushes to fold here if you are calling down to 76s preflop and value betting all flushes 3 streets.
He has enough KdXx to over bluff the river given he has 4 combo's max for value, and 6 potential bluffs. This ignores range splitting, but if someone bets the Kx with a flush draw some amount then perhaps they are also betting their off suit KdXx so the two sort of cancel each other out.
Its possible he can even have less total combos of flushes on the river, and still always have 6 combos of Kx to jam over if he never bets the flop with Kx combo's that can't value bet 3 streets on a blank run out. So then it becomes a question of, is this the type of player to consistently miss bluff spots like this on the river in big pots when they come up? If we think it is let's just quietly muck, or perhaps hedge the situation and flip a coin on whether we should be defending GTOish here to account for running into an opponent who is actually over bluffing these nut blocker situations despite empirical evidence contradicting that assumption.
I'd assume anyone breakeven or losing, who is 4 tabling zoom is under bluffing. Anyone who is a known winner is potentially over bluffing, but probably working on their game enough to try and be pseudo balanced, and thus may be capable of working out on the fly what fraction of Kd they should bluff. Knowing who is who involves digging the forums a bit.
2) You're just super crushed vs a typical 5bet CIB from OOP value range so certainly you'll make more $ calling. Jam is potentially losing money, and probably just breakeven at best. I'd be surprised if people have worked out their ranges in this spot to be properly balanced.
10-22-2014, 10:31 PM
Alexos
Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
1) I think preflop is a 3bet/fold but regardless you are too far up in your flushes to fold here if you are calling down to 76s preflop and value betting all flushes 3 streets.
He has enough KdXx to over bluff the river given he has 4 combo's max for value, and 6 potential bluffs. This ignores range splitting, but if someone bets the Kx with a flush draw some amount then perhaps they are also betting their off suit KdXx so the two sort of cancel each other out.
Its possible he can even have less total combos of flushes on the river, and still always have 6 combos of Kx to jam over if he never bets the flop with Kx combo's that can't value bet 3 streets on a blank run out. So then it becomes a question of, is this the type of player to consistently miss bluff spots like this on the river in big pots when they come up? If we think it is let's just quietly muck, or perhaps hedge the situation and flip a coin on whether we should be defending GTOish here to account for running into an opponent who is actually over bluffing these nut blocker situations despite empirical evidence contradicting that assumption.
I'd assume anyone breakeven or losing, who is 4 tabling zoom is under bluffing. Anyone who is a known winner is potentially over bluffing, but probably working on their game enough to try and be pseudo balanced, and thus may be capable of working out on the fly what fraction of Kd they should bluff. Knowing who is who involves digging the forums a bit.
2) You're just super crushed vs a typical 5bet CIB from OOP value range so certainly you'll make more $ calling. Jam is potentially losing money, and probably just breakeven at best. I'd be surprised if people have worked out their ranges in this spot to be properly balanced.
Awesome post, thank you :) This opened my eyes at how old-school I have become in just 2 years not playing.
Agree with M2M, no way you can fold Q9dd hand. Especially if you assume that most players here would be bluffing with Kd blocker, which means you are essentially folding your entire betting range on river.
10-23-2014, 02:11 PM
Alexos
Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
Nice hands.
Agree with M2M, no way you can fold Q9dd hand. Especially if you assume that most players here would be bluffing with Kd blocker, which means you are essentially folding your entire betting range on river.
people are really underbluffing though that's for sure. What % of regs do you think would jam naked Kd there? I wanna argue like 10% cuz they don't expect the other guy to fold a flush anyway.
10-23-2014, 03:48 PM
griffey24
Are people really under-bluffing that much here?
Given villains line, I would argue that his ENTIRE range for getting to this river this way (barring two combos - KJdd / KTdd and as M2M pointed out, some might even bet instead of go into c/c, so maybe 1 combo), but the rest of his range is purely a bluff catcher to a triple.
KJo-KQo, TT-QQ are all bluff catchers on the river. If we exclude KQo, cause that might be perceived as good enough to call down, that's still ~30 possible bluffing combos. So he has 1 legit value combos, vs 30 possible bluffing combos. He doesn't have to be bluffing that often to make this a snap call. Even if he's bluffing 10% of the time, that's still 3 bluffs to 1 value.
10-24-2014, 09:58 PM
Alexos
Had a low this morning after playing pretty bad for 2 sesh in a row. Pretty hard to grind for a living when you're losing and playing bad but you still gotta put them hands in. Can't imagine ppl going for SNE, that's some crazy shit. Told myself to play A game on the second sesh and it worked out. Gotta keep it up', I'm already behind schedule.
SB had A:heart:, J:heart: (two pair, Aces and eights).
Hero had A:spade:, 2:spade: (two pair, Aces and eights).
Outcome: SB won $1,661.86
10-28-2014, 04:41 AM
Alexos
1/4 of the way there, and there is no reason it won't get better from here, now that I have a feel for the other regs and how the game is different than 3-4 years ago. Zoom is tough, but it's alright.
Hand 1)
Do you have reads that he doesn't value bet thinly? I think if we have that read, then I like the river call. Without that read, he has about 4-5 possible bricked fd's (KQs, KJs, JTs, QJs, KTs), and a ton of possible value shoving hands: AQ(12), AJ(12), maybe some A8s (1 or 2).
Hand 2)
I played a hand similar to this with A4s (QxxhhxA board - facing triple) and I value towned myself exactly like this facing a check vs AJs on the river.
I did some GTO on this spot to see how AJx checking the river would fare vs my shoving range and how KK would fare vs my shoving range, to see if either hand would be indifferent to calling or folding. Indifferent in your spot would be, being about 26% vs your shoving range.
In my spot, AJ had around 46% vs my shoving range. I didn't have much air, because most of my FD's on Qxx were folding turn except for some Kxs and Axs, and Ax got there. Also my shoving range assumed shoving all Ax.
In that spot, KK had around 26% vs that same shoving range. So that's the indifference point for your hand.
So if you think he's the type that would mostly shove AJ/AQ here, but check re-eval KK/QQ, then I think shoving is not bad here.
