aqs multiway

Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 50.5 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 27.78, Hands: 57)
UTG+2: 168.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 30 BB (VPIP: 24.68, PFR: 10.16, 3Bet Preflop: 2.11, Hands: 390)
MP+1: 86 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
CO: 67 BB (VPIP: 12.68, PFR: 5.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 282)
BTN: 107.75 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 9)
SB: 39 BB (VPIP: 25.58, PFR: 6.98, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 86)
BB: 40.75 BB (VPIP: 34.33, PFR: 3.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
Hero (UTG): 102.75 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:spade: A:spade:

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, UTG+2 calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 11 BB, SB calls 10.5 BB, Hero?

Would this be too nitty a fold? or is it worth uh...4betting?(is that right?)

Nothing stands out, since there are no solid reads. Multiple villains in this hand are basically unknown, so post flop playability is a guess.

I don't think you can make too big a mistake here. Raising is fine, folding is fine, calling is probably OK. (The fact that Hero is not closing the action makes calling a bit worse.)

Personally, I'd just fold AQs in this spot. It's the worst hand in my range from UTG, and I prefer to 3-bet a merged range against a new villain until they show me that they fold too much, when I'll start polarizing the range. The fact that the SB called makes me want to avoid playing the hand post flop in the middle position.

fold is fine, nh

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Nothing stands out, since there are no solid reads. Multiple villains in this hand are basically unknown, so post flop playability is a guess.

I don't think you can make too big a mistake here. Raising is fine, folding is fine, calling is probably OK. (The fact that Hero is not closing the action makes calling a bit worse.)

Personally, I'd just fold AQs in this spot. It's the worst hand in my range from UTG, and I prefer to 3-bet a merged range against a new villain until they show me that they fold too much, when I'll start polarizing the range. The fact that the SB called makes me want to avoid playing the hand post flop in the middle position.

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seriously? aqs is your worst hand in utg? is that a standard play these days, or are you just nitty?

Fold. As said if you closed the action I'd call. 3better raises 7%, his 3b range kills your AQs. Also with a player that tight I doubt he find a fold to your 4b very often, maybe jj or QQ but you block some QQ too. I'd fold and think nothing of it.

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Originally Posted by Zorkion

seriously? aqs is your worst hand in utg? is that a standard play these days, or are you just nitty?

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Im not a full-ring player ,it's not really being nitty. being oop here puts you at a huge disadvantage post-flop, and also it's the BU who 3b, ignore his 3b stat because it's only been 10 hands, and he's 3b once. his you don't wanna go up against him oop w. AQs. you can't just think: "oh, i can't fold AQs.", you need to dissect the action. fold

BTN likely isn't sq too light vs UTG opener, and SB cold call is kind of scary and he's also short so we don't have much fold equity vs him.

Fold seems good. Though IF I was going to 4b, then I think in terms of blockers this is a good hand to 4b bluff with.

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Originally Posted by Zorkion

seriously? aqs is your worst hand in utg? is that a standard play these days, or are you just nitty?

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I don't know what you mean by "standard play" in this context.

It is standard for me to play { 99+,AK,AQs } from UTG at a table with "unknowns" (Villains who just joined). I will widen that range by adding PP's as I gain reads, but never to the point of adding AJs. So in that context, yes, it is "standard play" for me to never get involved with AJ or worse from UTG.

Is that too nitty? Heavens no! I have no dead money in front of me, and I also have no information about any of the villains' hands. A total range of 4% or so is absolutely fine for UTG. I'd suggest that anyone who finds this tight range to be nitty should give it a try and see what happens to his winrate from UTG.

From the BTN, I open/steal/get involved with over 40% of hands. My overall VPIP is ~17%, which is LAG at full ring games. I'd posit if your overall VPIP is above 19% for FR, you're not LAG, you're a spew-monkey. That said, your positional VPIP on the BTN is fine if it's 35 - 50%. So you can easily have positional ranges that are quite high or low compared to the average.

Daven has a vpip of like 24 or something. I don't think he is a spew monkey.

what is the villians 3bet stats like

do you have enuf hands for 4bet stats

how often does he c bet

without more reads think fold, and live to fight another day, rather than play a 3b pot oop deep

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Originally Posted by rong

Daven has a vpip of like 24 or something. I don't think he is a spew monkey.

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Well, it's not like I'm placing a hard line between good and bad.

I'm really talking about default ranges vs. unknown tables. For instance, the first orbit or two when you sit down. After that, exploitation can lead you to playing wider and wider ranges for various reasons.

Even still, an overall VPIP of 24% at FR seems too high. I'd guess someone playing that loose is getting involved in some spots that are actually slightly -EV in the long run. Or maybe he plays tables that are limp fests with no fold equity pre-flop, pricing in a ton of hands that would otherwise be unplayable.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I don't know what you mean by "standard play" in this context.

It is standard for me to play { 99+,AK,AQs } from UTG at a table with "unknowns" (Villains who just joined). I will widen that range by adding PP's as I gain reads, but never to the point of adding AJs. So in that context, yes, it is "standard play" for me to never get involved with AJ or worse from UTG.

Is that too nitty? Heavens no! I have no dead money in front of me, and I also have no information about any of the villains' hands. A total range of 4% or so is absolutely fine for UTG. I'd suggest that anyone who finds this tight range to be nitty should give it a try and see what happens to his winrate from UTG.

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Fair enough. I haven't been around for a while, and last i heard ajo was still good from utg in fr. Definitely good to have another perspective on it though, thanks!