KK When an Ace hits the Turn

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MP ($4.10)
Button ($4.07)
Hero (SB) ($3.76)
BB ($7.26)
UTG ($3.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
2 folds, Button bets $0.12, Hero raises $0.38, 1 fold, Button calls $0.28

Flop: ($0.84) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, Button calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.04) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players),
Hero ???

I had only 50 hands on villain, but he was 23/9 and C-bet of 50%.

When he called my 3-Bet pre I was thinking he likely held a lower pair or a raggy Ace, but when he called the flop bet I was surprised some. 66 maybe? AK & hoping??

Anyway, I don't play many cash games, and I found myself a little lost in this spot. Thoughts?

First of all you should always try to make sure have at least 100bb at the table.

I would probably 3bet a little bigger pre, 0.42-0.45, do you have any stats for his fold to 3bet% or fold to cbet%?

I see no reason not to bet the turn, he doesn't have to hold an A here, could easily have a smaller pair. I also think we have more Ax in our 3betting range then in villain's calling 3bet range.

I'm not sure on this. Ideally I'd like to check. Villain prob won't bet worse as he seems quite passive. If he doesn't have an ace, he'll prob fold to a bet on the turn but may well call a bet with worse on the river.

But if I check and he bets I guess I'm calling a small bet but folding to more than say 1.20. That said it depends on the villain and I'd like w bit more info ideally.

Thinking more, it all comes down to two questions.

Will villain call with worse on the turn?
Will villain bet with worse if checked to on the turn?

I'm inclined to think no on both accounts based on evidence given, so c/f would be better. But obv villain dependent.

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Originally Posted by rong

Thinking more, it all comes down to two questions.

Will villain call with worse on the turn?
Will villain bet with worse if checked to on the turn?

I'm inclined to think no on both accounts based on evidence given, so c/f would be better. But obv villain dependent.

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Do you not think it gives villain a chance to rep an A when checked to? Perfect card to bet at in position?

+1 to more info needed.

Defo, I'd bet if checked to. But the only read we have is that villain is a passive fish. This makes me think he's less likely to.

Would be interesting to look at hm and see how well I've done with kk on a hi flops or A turns. I change my approach for dif villains but have a feeling I call down second best hand rather frequently.

I think almost anyone would bet the ace if checked to and the percent is so high that I check/call no matter what. If he has the ace and i check river he'll probably bet smallish on river too to keep the bluff going and I'll call that too. If he has it Ive been value towned and I'll make a note. But I think most of the time check call check call takes the money (he value towns himself) and he'll probably freak out about "how can you call that your horrible..." and tilt him as most of the time it'll be a bluff in my experience...when he flips over his J-J

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

Do you not think it gives villain a chance to rep an A when checked to? Perfect card to bet at in position?

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This was another thought in my mind at the time. I wasn't very seriously considering NOT betting because of this. But at this point I was expecting him to flat any bet I made, and I had no idea what my move at the river was going to be.

Why do we think he knows what repping anything means. A 23/9 is playing level 1 poker most of the time. "What are my cards?"

Any postflop reads? Readless I can c/f this turn. *edit* dependent on sizing

I would b/f the turn. I think we can get value from 66, 88-JJ, but I'm not sure if the villain would bet these (or bet these as much as we would want him to) if we check to him. The nice thing is that this type of villain often won't bet the river with an underpair or a weak A, so if we bet the turn and check the river, we can safely fold the river to a large bet, but often get to showdown without needing an extra bet (i.e., we get to realize our equity after extracting about as much value as we can).