[5NL] JJ in BB...line check.

Villain a complete unknown, 50/25 through 8 hands.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $5.00
MP: $4.80
CO: $2.43
BTN: $2.64
SB: $9.43
Hero (BB): $5.13

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J:diamond: J:heart:

fold, MP calls $0.05, fold, fold, SB calls $0.03, Hero raises to $0.25, MP calls $0.20, fold

Flop: ($0.55, 2 players) 4:diamond: 4:spade: 6:club:
Hero bets $0.40, MP raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.75, 2 players) 9:diamond:
Hero checks, MP bets $2.90, Hero raises to $3.78 and is all-in, MP calls $0.55 and is all-in

River: ($9.65, 2 players) 7:heart:

8 hands means you have no stats on villain as they are completely meaningless. So you're stacking with jj against an unknown. I mean this would be fine against some players but against an unknown I hate it. Villain bet more than the pot on the turn. Do you see him doing this with tt or worse? I don't. Fold the turn imo.

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Originally Posted by rong

8 hands means you have no stats on villain as they are completely meaningless. So you're stacking with jj against an unknown. I mean this would be fine against some players but against an unknown I hate it. Villain bet more than the pot on the turn. Do you see him doing this with tt or worse? I don't. Fold the turn imo.

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I felt villain was being a little too aggressive to be playing for value, I thought it looked like he was betting scared, trying to just take the pot down. Maybe with something like 77-TT, that's how I felt during hand anyway.

Obviously he is an unknown so could be way off.

Villain is not that unknown:
- he is not full stacked
- he open limps
- 50/25 even over 8 hands already means something most of the time

So, looks fishy to me.

Range? Say:
77(6)
88(6)
TT (6) although he most likely raises TT pre

A4(8)
99(3)
66(3)
45s(2)
34s(2)
64s(1)
44(1)
+ maybe some random slow played AA

Not looking too good, I think it's a fold ott.

edit: actually even without TT you still have a surprising 38.5% equity which is about what you need to break even when you take rake into account. However, since there is some doubt he does that with 77 or 88, I still fold.

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Originally Posted by daviddem

Villain is not that unknown:
- he is not full stacked
- he open limps
- 50/25 even over 8 hands already means something most of the time.

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agreed

The ratio of VPIP/PFR is quite telling. Though it would be nice if you had more hands on Villain, this is a good early indicator of passive/aggressive style. This is usually indicative of a passive villain when the fraction is less than ~2/3, as with this villain. When passive players suddenly get active, step aside unless you have a monster.

Also, when someone is unknown, assume their hand is stronger than you hope. Keep yourself out of trouble while you establish your reads.


I'd probably raise to $0.30 pre-flop (offering less than 2:1 to the first caller) and C-bet closer to 1/2 pot OTF (low-mid board that missed almost all of the Ax suited hands means that callers probably wont be on draws ;) ).

50/25 over 8 hands is not particularly telling. Look at.your own stats after 8 hands on a bunch of tables and see what weird ass stats you show relative to longer term averages.

no way am I ever folding here

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

no way am I ever folding here

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ya at 5nl it's just so easy for an unknown villain to have so many hands that we're ahead of. i think you played it fine.

I don't know why we are calling the flop if we are getting it in. I raise this flop a lot and see 88-TT or random Ax broadways.