10nl AKo on btn facing flop raise & T shove

Villain is unknown, only note is he double barreled mono flop turned 4 flush and opp folded. Also bought in for $8 and posted blind OTB orbit previous.

Well, i really wish i had more to go on here, but basically after i called his flop raise , his turn donk really feels like a bluff. problem is i don't know what he flats my 3b w/ and does this with..

I called just on the few fishy factors I had on him, and the fact he donked.

Is this bad vs. unknown(seemingly fishy)??


Revolution Gaming Network - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $9.35
SB: $9.69
BB: $10.20
UTG: $10.15
MP: $11.13
CO: $10.88

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:spade: K:club:

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.23, Hero raises to $0.86, fold, fold, CO calls $0.63

Flop: ($1.87, 2 players) 5:spade: Q:club: K:spade:
CO checks, Hero bets $0.94, CO raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.56

Turn: ($6.87, 2 players) J:diamond:
CO raises to $7.52 and is all-in,??

rebuy pre

no one donked on this hand on any street.

55,KQ,KJ makes the most sense, given the flop
JJ,QsJs,AcTc less likely for same reason.

maybe AK,AQ,KT,QTs if they bluff jam w/ equity

All of these are hands a villain will open/call PRE.

EDIT: FWIW, If I'm on my A-game and I know what's what, then I fold this OTT. Reason being: I am fairly tight pre-flop and I'm not affraid to 3-bet IP, so villains almost always put me on a solid hand, I steal OTF all the time, so when I get pressure back on me, I KNOW that I'm not winning with TPTK.

Im a re-re, yeah def no donk, and I was thinking along the same line here MMM. He apparently bluff jams w/ Bottom pair, and no draw.

I obv felt good at the moment taking the pot, but given reasons you stated a fold to this shove can't be bad. In fact, i really want to cement it in myself I'm almot never ahead..

Seems like an easy turn fold, given his massively display of strength and you have the A of spade blocker. The only hands you're ahead of are some draws like JTs/J9s and everything else is two pairs/sets

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Originally Posted by Pascal

Seems like an easy turn fold, given his massively display of strength and you have the A of spade blocker. The only hands you're ahead of are some draws like JTs/J9s and everything else is two pairs/sets

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Since I got to showdown I guess It's worth noting this villains bluff tendency, and the line he took right?

since he is fishy can we expect him to act the same w/ a made hand?

You can't take stuff into account you don't already know. We know he's bad but there just aren't that many hands he can actually be bluffing turn with and when he is he always has decent equity, whereas you will either be slightly ahead or way behind.

From all your reads he's a fish and until proven otherwise we can assume he's passive and bad. So far, he's done nothing to disprove that.

Why are you so eager to call him a fish and play differently based on that assumption?

-Posted early: maybe hes only got a little bit of time to play before his lunch break is over or something. It doesnt necessarily tell you anything though. If you're gonna post early, otb is the best time.

-Didnt buy in full: Ok, does this tell you hes bluffy somehow? A station? An aggro monkey? I dont see the relation between this and playstyle. Yeah its weird, and leans towards hm being bad...but bad in which way?

-Bet on mono flop and again on 4flush board: Maybe he had the nuts? Maybe it was a decent spot to bluff? I dont see how this is relevant at all either.

Why halfpot on the flop? Why not bet more to punish him when he has KJ or KT or QJ or some drawy nonsense?

We might actually be able to fold on the flop. What's your 3-betting range pre?

He's a fish because it's 10NL and he's posted and not bought in full. Sure, he might not be a massive whale, but he's never that good

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

We might actually be able to fold on the flop. What's your 3-betting range pre?

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88+,AQ+,KQ, and a couple bluffs

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Originally Posted by Pascal

He's a fish because it's 10NL and he's posted and not bought in full. Sure, he might not be a massive whale, but he's never that good

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I dont see how the knowledge that he is bad is relevant to what he range of hands he has, considering there are many forms bad players can take.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

I dont see how the knowledge that he is bad is relevant to what he range of hands he has, considering there are many forms bad players can take.

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Do all the types of bad players come in equal frequencies? If not, then we can make profitable assumptions because we'll be correct a greater percentage of the time.

I stand corrected

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Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

88+,AQ+,KQ, and a couple bluffs

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The turn seems like an easy fold (note it's probably the bottom of your range at that point aside from a possible AsQs). If (and a potentially big if at that) we were going to bet/fold any AK on the flop, then I think AsKc should probably be one of them because of its equity against our opponent's likely range when he raises.

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

The turn seems like an easy fold (note it's probably the bottom of your range at that point aside from a possible AsQs). If (and a potentially big if at that) we were going to bet/fold any AK on the flop, then I think AsKc should probably be one of them because of its equity against our opponent's likely range when he raises.

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When putting a c/r range together for him spoon, how should we compile QQ+?
Since we're lacking those reads do we spilt them up ?
Ex.
(3)QQ 4b pre, (3)QQ call

My other question is now that my note on him reads something like this:
54s: calls 3b oop, c/r's fl w/ bottom pair & BDFD, and bluff shoves T'.

how would this info affect our future actions vs. him? we know there is air in his ranges, It's def important to know he is capable of c/r bluffing and shoving right?