[2NL] KJs in BB

Villain is 65/16 through 52 hands. Not much of note on him other than he didn't like folding to bets on the flop and probably thought I was steaming from him beating my KK with 67o.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $3.04
BTN: $2.52
SB: $5.08
Hero (BB): $2.00
UTG: $2.04

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K:spade: J:spade:

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.05, SB calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.15, 3 players) Q:heart: 4:club: K:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, fold, SB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.35, 2 players) 5:club:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.28, SB calls $0.28

River: ($0.91, 2 players) K:club:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.76, SB raises to $2.06, Hero calls $0.81 and is all-in

SB shows Q:club: T:club: (Flush, King High) (Pre 39%, Flop 23%, Turn 32%)
Hero shows K:spade: J:spade: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 61%, Flop 77%, Turn 68%)
SB wins $3.91

Have I played this hand horribly or is it just unlucky? Would like feedback on my bet sizing and general play of the hand.

3betting this pre is an option depending on how wide you think BTN is opening.

Everything was fine until the river. Assign villain a preflop calling range, then a check calling range on the flop and turn, then a check raising range on the river and see what you come up with. Then stove your equity vs his river range and see if its a call.

You played the hand perfectly btw except bet folding the river, it's easy for me to say that now since i see your cards, but do you really think villain is just getting out of line on the river with nothing?

When passive stations become aggressive, be weary. I wouldn't call the river without a read that he is capable of bluffing here.

Possibly he could also be doing this with a worse K, but since there is only one K left in the deck it is less likely than a flush.

edit: I am also not a fan of flatting raises OOP preflop without good reason. A 3b to iso the fish in position seems a better option (but this may depend on who the button is, if he is a rock folding is better).

Can I really b/f the river after betting $0.76 leaving $0.81 behind? I bet that amount hoping to get stacks in ( Obviously didn't put him on a back door flush though )

Results skew the analysis. Hes can have lots of Kx hands here (given his wide calling range pre) and very few hands that beat us. Well played.

It's true you need to win only 20% of the time to call profitably, I hadn't paid attention to effective stacks in my previous post. Even with this river range, you still win 20% of the time.
QQ,44,AKs,KTs+,QcJc,QcTc,Qc9c,Qc8c,Qc7c,Qc6c,Qc5c, Qc4c,6c4c,5c4c,4c3c,Qc2c,4c2c,AKo,KTo+

If he calls the raise pre with more K's or less suited connectors, or if he would have raised his sets or AK earlier, then you can def call profitably.

And what Hoopy said: don't post results.

I don't usually but seemed pointless stopping it on river decision and wanted a general overview of how I played the hand.

i'm interested in everyone's view on the preflop spot here, and subsequent plan for the flop.

My Rule of Thumb at MicroNL is mainly Fold or 3Bet from the blinds, and this does look like a good spot for a Squeeze (@Coby - wot were BTNs stats, plizz?).

However, it also looks like a decent spot to call - 4:1 odds with a hand that plays well postflop, and a multiway flop inc. a fishy.

Once we make that decision, though, doesn't that define how we then proceed OTF?

i.e. i'd be more than a little leery about calling and then playing TP/meh-kicker OOP for a big pot.

Just for you DoubleJ - Button was 50/39 through 38 hands. 57% steal from LP, 1/3 in CO, 3/4 on button. His cbet was 50%, 3/6.

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Originally Posted by DoubleJ

i'm interested in everyone's view on the preflop spot here, and subsequent plan for the flop.

My Rule of Thumb at MicroNL is mainly Fold or 3Bet from the blinds, and this does look like a good spot for a Squeeze (@Coby - wot were BTNs stats, plizz?).

However, it also looks like a decent spot to call - 4:1 odds with a hand that plays well postflop, and a multiway flop inc. a fishy.

Once we make that decision, though, doesn't that define how we then proceed OTF?

i.e. i'd be more than a little leery about calling and then playing TP/meh-kicker OOP for a big pot.

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Are we not bloating a pot with the 3bet pre? Or are we making a squeeze hoping to leave ourselves IP vs fish?

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

Are we not bloating a pot with the 3bet pre? Or are we making a squeeze hoping to leave ourselves IP vs fish?

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Dunno m8 :). That's why i'm asking the questions

FWIW, my plan for Squeezing would be to win the pot immediately:

• BTN won't call 3Bet because they likely raised as a steal with a weak hand.
• SB won't call 3Bet because they were calling the first raise with a weak hand, and will be OOP for every other betting round.

Plan B (i.e. if we get a caller) is to take it with a cBet. We'd need Villains' Fold to cBet stats here for guidance.

SB fold to cbet 25%, 1/4. Button fold to cbet 33%, 1/3.

nh you played it fine

MOST thinking villains will not jam the river on a paired board unless they're HOPING you have trips.

Hero's river bet reps trips, so villain should call w/ trips, raise with anything that beats trips, and fold anything that doesn't. Micro-stakes villains tend to call wide OTR, to catch bluffs. In my experience, the only ones who jam light OTR have so many other leaks that they're easy to spot as "non-thinking" players.

Unless you have evidence otherwise on a Villain, I'd go with this.

Not losing $0.81 is as good as winning $0.81.

what type of player is in the small blind influences whether you want to 3b pre here by the way.

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Originally Posted by daven

what type of player is in the small blind influences whether you want to 3b pre here by the way.

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can you expand on that a bit plizz?

PS - hope ur arse is getting better

Overall, I think your line is fine against this particular villain. Would make river sizing smaller against somebody half competent however with the intention of b/f to a c/jam.

[QUOTE=DoubleJ;2120422]can you expand on that a bit plizz?

if sb is huge fish i like 3betting mostly cos i like playing HU pots with nice cards in position vs fish whenever i get the chance. If sb is a station-fish and we simply call then we end up oop multiway and having to play fit and fold postflop. Calling is rarely bad in this spot either though.

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Originally Posted by DoubleJ

PS - hope ur arse is getting better

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still busto

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Originally Posted by daven

still busto

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meh. sorry to hear that, m8 :(

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Originally Posted by daven

if sb is huge fish i like 3betting mostly cos i like playing HU pots with nice cards in position vs fish whenever i get the chance

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check

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Originally Posted by daven

If sb is a station-fish and we simply call then we end up oop multiway and having to play fit and fold postflop

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check

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Originally Posted by daven

Calling is rarely bad in this spot either though

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??? not sure how this fits with the previous point.

sorry if i'm being dense....

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Originally Posted by DoubleJ

??? not sure how this fits with the previous point.

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we're getting 4:1 on the call preflop with a hand that can flop pretty awesome. Which makes fit or fold just fine, plus flop will check through often enough which lets us turn one of our 6 outs. Compare KJs here with TT.

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Originally Posted by daven

we're getting 4:1 on the call preflop with a hand that can flop pretty awesome. Which makes fit or fold just fine, plus flop will check through often enough which lets us turn one of our 6 outs.

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cushdie

so..does this mesh with wot i was trying to say here:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2120374 ??

i guess my question is how rigorously do we define a "fit" here? Can we happily put the pedal to the metal with TP/OK-K postflop?

as always, a doff of my (virtual) cap to you, Sir

Don't post results.