Few hands from 25nl FR

H1:
Villain is a10/9/2.7 tag over 400 hands, folds to cbet 60%.
Once he called flop, I figured either he had an Ace or 77 in which case the money was going in regardless or alternatively a pp that thought he'd float the flop as my cbet stats were approx 80+% which is why I checked the turn, thinking he'd smell bullshit and might try and take the pot getting me an extra bet that I might not have got if he didn't have Ax/77/55 or if he checked, I might get a bet from on the river that from hands that would have folded to the 2nd barrel on the turn.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($29.89)
UTG ($15.88)
UTG+1 ($34.85)
MP1 ($30.65)
MP2 ($8.75)
CO ($25)
Hero (Button) ($27.54)
SB ($36.78)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A:heart:, K:spade:
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 bets $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 3 folds, MP1 calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.60) 7:club:, A:diamond:, A:spade: (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $3.75, MP1 calls $3.75

Turn: ($15.10) 5:club: (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($15.10) 6:club: (2 players)
MP1 bets $23.40 (All-In), Hero calls $20.29 (All-In)

Total pot: $55.68 | Rake: $2.78


H2
Villain was a nitty 12/10/6.2. His cb stat was on 40% which made me think he was quite cautious and might be scared of a set which made me think I had enough fold equity to shove over what I guessed was an overpair or set.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($26.92)
BB ($67.82)
UTG ($8.75)
UTG+1 ($26.10)
MP1 ($7.01)
MP2 ($25)
CO ($11.01)
Button ($20.22)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9:club:, 7:club:
3 folds, MP2 bets $0.67, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.57, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.59) 4:club:, 8:diamond:, 10:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.20, Hero raises to $3.50, MP2 raises to $8.10, Hero raises to $26.25 (All-In), MP2 calls $16.23 (All-In)

Turn: ($50.25) 4:heart: (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($50.25) 2:spade: (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $50.25 | Rake: $2.51


H3
Villain was 20/18/9.9 over ~300 hands. His range is wide enough to call, right?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($14.42)
BB ($37.66)
UTG ($17.52)
UTG+1 ($7.25)
MP1 ($5.38)
MP2 ($16.81)
MP3 ($15.40)
Hero (CO) ($27.10)
Button ($8.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K:heart:, A:club:
3 folds, MP2 bets $1, MP3 calls $1, Hero raises to $3.50, 3 folds, MP2 raises to $16.81 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $13.31

Flop: ($34.97) 9:spade:, K:club:, 8:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($34.97) 6:club: (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($34.97) 2:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $34.97 | Rake: $1.74

I'm gonna edit this so it actually makes sense once I've eaten dinner.

that turn check in hand 1 is p dumb.

hand 2 he has a set. just fold. there are probably ~0 25nl regs with those stats capable of 3b bluffing a dry board like this. and no one folds once they 3b if they arent bluffing

can't call quick enough

Ty bikes.

H1 as played, call river or fold? At the time I was thinking my plan had worked perfectly.

Also H1, bet sizing for each street?

i'm calling hand 1 cause we're only beat by 77

woe unto rufus tranquilius if he has 77

I have no idea what you just said.

Also the fucker had 66.

woe unto rufus tranquillus then

I quick search tells me my ideological purity is going down the Shitter. I Shit you not.

i agree w/bikes comments on all hands.

had i know that villain still has 55 and 66 after his range on the flop in H1 then i'd probably advocate fold river because he's never fucking about and probably doesn't see AQ as strong enough to overbet ship. but we didnt have thay info and most regs would (and definitely should) fold these hands on the flop (and preflop but whatever)

I was surprised how little bluffing takes place post flop at 25nl. Hardly any except the very occasional river bluff. It's mostly nits pre and post or laggy pre and on flop and then nits on last 2 streets. Which also means that double and Tripple barreling seems to work quite well.

I wonder if that's the main difference as you move up stakes, people adding another street with which they are willing to bluff, and obviously doing so in a balanced way.

since i really appreciate you grabbing a beer with me in thailand.


hand 1 there are MAYBE two streets of value here if he does not have an ace

bet the flop, everyone expects you to bet the flop so bet. your sizing is w/e.

turn i would bet $6 since i am now repping polarized. you are giving him a good price for him to think you are bluffing. nearly 4:1

river shove. if he has an ace or doesn't believe, you ship the monies.


h2 villian is a nit, 3b pre. calling is a very very meh option, out of position and vulnerable to getting squeezed. most people still have no fucking clue how to play in 3b pots and as such having intiative in them is a major advantage.

as played. he cbets 40% and you choose to c/r?!?!?!?!?!? he only cbets when he hits or has an overpair so check raising is really really bad. at best he is calling and you have to shut it down on most every turn card. at worst he is doing what he is doing and you have wasted an 8 out draw to the nuts to potentially stack him.

shoving over his flop 3b is the worst way to play this hand because he is not folding 444 or QQ+ so that leaves MAYBE JJ that he would 3b fold, big maybe there. he may not even 3b that hand. you are shoving v badly otf.

if i didnt want to get the monies in i would not have 3b hand 3. that being said please god lemme get the monies in.

oh and woe unto rufus tranquillus is an awesome Rome reference for 'welp, fuck him then'

I guess there's no reason to stop value betting in h1. H2 does seem a tad stupid in hindsight. H3 is obvious but I'd dropped ~9 BI in 3k hands so was doubting some basic decisions and wanted to look at all hands over 60b where I had any doubts.

Thanks for your help.

Also, weren't you meant to be coming to England at one point?

Urghhh I just lot a Tripple bi stack kk>Aaiaipf.

H1 - Would bet turn, don't think this guy will float air in this spot and he'll keep calling with any A he didn't raise and sometimes with TT-QQ. As played call.

H2 - Fold/3bet pre. Cautious low cbet % nit 3bets flop = run away. With a lower cbet % he has more value hands in his range so check/call to take advantage of implied odds. Lead turn if you hit or if he checks back.

H3 - Easy call.

hand 1 turn small like $5 sets things up nicely. Vs river play and villain's most likely holdings are Acxc, 77, AQ, AK and it's a fold. 10-9s don't overbet river on this board as a bluff anywhere near enough for you to call here without a hand that beats AK.

hand 2 fold to the flop 3b and it's not close with zero fold equity.

hand 3 nice hand

this post is gold:

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Originally Posted by bikes

since i really appreciate you grabbing a beer with me in thailand.


hand 1 there are MAYBE two streets of value here if he does not have an ace

bet the flop, everyone expects you to bet the flop so bet. your sizing is w/e.

turn i would bet $6 since i am now repping polarized. you are giving him a good price for him to think you are bluffing. nearly 4:1

river shove. if he has an ace or doesn't believe, you ship the monies.


h2 villian is a nit, 3b pre. calling is a very very meh option, out of position and vulnerable to getting squeezed. most people still have no fucking clue how to play in 3b pots and as such having intiative in them is a major advantage.

as played. he cbets 40% and you choose to c/r?!?!?!?!?!? he only cbets when he hits or has an overpair so check raising is really really bad. at best he is calling and you have to shut it down on most every turn card. at worst he is doing what he is doing and you have wasted an 8 out draw to the nuts to potentially stack him.

shoving over his flop 3b is the worst way to play this hand because he is not folding 444 or QQ+ so that leaves MAYBE JJ that he would 3b fold, big maybe there. he may not even 3b that hand. you are shoving v badly otf.

if i didnt want to get the monies in i would not have 3b hand 3. that being said please god lemme get the monies in.

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H1: I don't mind your line of thinking here at all, and there's really a lot of ways to play this hand. Perhaps if you had more reads then we could make a more optimal decision but if your goal was to represent weakness then checking the turn isn't bad. You could always of course to bet turn and hope he thinks you're bluffing which isn't bad here against a thinking player because it's harder for him to believe you got an ace considering there are 2 aces on the board, but I mean this decision is marginal imo.

The river shove does kind of concern me here though and I don't really think he would ever be bluffing here, at least not by shoving, if he was bluffing I think he'd prolly not bet more than pot size... Anyways, our hand is too strong too fold, the only real hand in his range I think he could possibly have that beats us is a backdoor flush draw which is very unfortunate. I'd prolly make a crying call and hope he doesn't have a backdoor flush draw of some type (AKs, AQs) lol. I'd actually be quite surprised to see him with 77 as I'm not sure he'd call with that hand preflop to 3bet just to try and hit a set.

Would be interested in result of H1

H2. I think this is badly played on your part. The check/raise itself is meh but I don't really see what you're folding out but cbets with air and this board hits so many hands that it's not a good board to cbet nor to c/r without something at least. In this case you got a straight draw but even that isn't very strong in this situation, and shoving over his 3bet is a really bad decision imo as you don't have much fold equity and the worst hand he shows up with here is a TPTK/TPGK type of hand, or a better straight draw than yours (although this is extremely unlikely given that he is a nit and raised i EP). Another thing to consider is that he may very well be holding a pair of your outs.

I plugged in some numbers in Pokerstove of villain's range here on what I think may 3bet you:
You got 97s and his rather reasonably 3bet range imo for a nit is 88+, ATs and 44. Basically your only outs are a 6 and a J to make the straight in which you got 1/3 equity. Check/call, or c/r fold, or donk fold here imo is much better than shoving as a bluff.

H3. Pretty easy call here