~4nl QQ in SB~ ~3b' pot facing R' decision~

Ok, so First let me say a couple a few things about the table and the pre-fl' situation. I Don't have a decent(+100) hand sample on anyone here.

UTG is 16/16/0 over 65.
Villain is 41/29/27(3/11) over 43, folded to squeeze (1/2) times . cbet in 3b pot 1/1. and I saw him 3b T8o.
CO 44/5/5, fold to squeeze = (1/2) Called pfr w/ A6o,A8o

So , I decide to squeeze here, I decide to 3b big because I just don't want this to go multi-way, When UTG folds I try and start to make a plan for the hand if I'm called. Like I said In my Q9s hand this is something i'm still pretty green at.

OTF: I'm really not worried about the K vs. his range here so I'm def Vbet'ing here. Also I feel like he's raising a lot here AK,KJ,JJ,66,

OTT: Its not the greatest card on the turn but still worth betting against i think... Let me know what you guys think.

OTR: the 9 seems like a brick to me now, but i think it threw me off last night. I decided to c/c basically because I feel like Im ahead of a lot he stations down , and shoves the river w/ ....

Hows my sizing and line look?


CO ($4.53)
Button ($3.79)
Weld (SB) ($4.06)
BB ($5.24)
UTG ($3.14)
MP ($10.71)

Preflop: Weld is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
UTG bets $0.12, MP calls $0.12, CO calls $0.12, 1 fold, Weld raises to $0.56, 2 folds, MP calls $0.44, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.40) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Weld bets $0.70, MP calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.80) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Weld bets $1.40, MP calls $1.40

River: ($5.60) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Weld checks, MP raises to $8.05 (All-In), Weld calls $1.40 (All-In)

Total pot: $8.40 | Rake: $0.56

Well if you're not folding....

If Hero bets OTT, Hero jams.
Furthermore... wtf at leaving $1.40 behind on a $1.40 bet?!? :eek: Hero can never fold river with this SPR (weak villains bluff too much and Hero looks lolbad to a 1/2 thinking reg at setting this up). Put the difficult choice (if any) on the villain.

Feel free to call me out on this, but...
If you're ever betting 1/3 of your stack, jam is better. If you're not willing to jam, then go for free showdown or fold. Better spots will come.

Also, 3-bet sizing isn't "big", in fact, it's a bit on the small side:
$0.02 + $0.04 + $0.12 + $0.12 + $0.12 = $0.42 in pot
... + $0.12 (to call) = $0.54 (pot)
$0.12 (call) + $0.54 (pot) = $0.66
PSB is $0.66

I like betting a little more on the flop so the SPR is a little lower on the turn.

Obviously 3b is for value, I think it's about the right size tbh could go a little smaller no need to pot it, we want people to continue with worse. Don't know anything about this villain post to say what to do. I don't like that we has Qd. I think you can bet smaller all streets getting it in over 3 or bet bigger flop jam safe turn. Or chk back flop bet turn bet river or chk call down. all have merits vs different villains. Maybe even Chk/fold vs some villains. This villain seems wanna be lagg/aggro fish given reads so I'd prolly go for Chk bet bet or Chk call down, assuming he's as aggro post as he is pre.
I think the 9 is actually quite good as it gives JT/TT a gutter to go with his pair or T9 a pair to go with his flush/straight draw. Given we block QT and KQ also I think chking river is a mistake! Don't allow him to Chk back his Jx TT and bet all his Kx 9x. Assuming villain is continuing past the turn with less than Kx.
You should prolly play with stove to work out some continuing ranges for each street working out whether your play is profitable or not.

The half-pot / half-stack bet on the turn and the river check are both odd, and even more so as a sequence. Once you bet the turn, can you possibly fold getting 3:1 if he raises? No, so shove.

And given the actual turn action, since you're going to call when he puts you all in, get it in yourself. The problem here is that your choice of action on the turn left you with little or no fold equity on the river, which you should have realized before you bet the turn, and which gives you more reason to shove the turn while you still have more FE.

We don't need FE we're not bluffing!!

No mojo, I'm def not gonna call ya out, cause I think your right. This hand kinda got away from me OTT.

OTF: I didn't want to bet to big because it's a 3b pot and the board isn't sopping wet.

Yeah and on the FE part . I don't really think it applies here

Weld,

Maybe others will disagree, but your focusing too much on stats. Try classifying players as loose/tight weak/aggressive, then some of your decisions will be easier.

Also what hands you beat on flop?

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Originally Posted by !Luck

Also what hands you beat on flop?

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i def just woke up , but AJ, TT, Axdd, AT,QJ(probably not) , 99 , any smaller pair , I think there are a lot of Jx combos that he floats the flop w/ that makes betting this flop for value a decent play...

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Originally Posted by !Luck

Weld,

Maybe others will disagree, but your focusing too much on stats. Try classifying players as loose/tight weak/aggressive, then some of your decisions will be easier.

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on this point luck, I def get your point, so while i'm at the table your saying it would be better to use the stats as a guide and then classify loose-passive, weak-tight, calling station, nit, etc.. ? right?

i think cbetting flop for value is a good play and i think it's close whether we go for another street or not. these stacks make it weird.

on luck's point re stats, i used to focus far too hard on people's numbers i think. these days i mostly focus on "player profiles" which i have stored in everyone's notes. granted these partly come from stats and frequencies, especially as regards playing against/from the blinds. but these days i'd far prefer to have some note saying (for example) "capable of turning bricked draws into bluffs when checked to OTR" or "seems aware of good turn barrel cards and is capable of barreling as a bluff" than to be trying to decipher a bunch of stats to try and get this information. granted, you need to be paying attention to get that kind of information. but for the time being i only play one or two tables and i take note of everything. makes decisions a lot easier i find.

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Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

on this point luck, I def get your point, so while i'm at the table your saying it would be better to use the stats as a guide and then classify loose-passive, weak-tight, calling station, nit, etc.. ? right?

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Exactly.