[2NL] 99...Flop Top Set....facing all-in shove

Villain was 13/9 through 45 hands, had only faced one 3bet previous and didn't fold to it. Also only faced one cbet on flop, again just called it. Neither hand went to showdown so no info to gain from it.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($2.15)
SB ($0.73)
BB ($4.14)
UTG ($2.19)
MP ($2.78)
Hero (CO) ($2.06)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
1 fold, MP bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.12, 3 folds, MP calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.27) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.22, MP raises to $2.66 (All-In), Hero ???

I think this is hardly ever a bluff but what can he be holding? AK/AQs willing to shove with NFD? JT I don't think he is raising/calling a 3bet with.

Slim chance of 77/88??

Can I call this?

Stove it. TT might do this too, although including it in his range doesn't change our equity that much. It seems to me you have to narrow his range to exactly flopped straights in order to find a fold here....

Why do you think he can't have 77,88? Why do you think he can't have JT? What hands do you think he min raises from mp with and then shoves the flop?

Tried putting him on a range and stoving it?

How many outs do you think we have vs the nuts?

Never folding.

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Originally Posted by supa

Why do you think he can't have 77,88? Why do you think he can't have JT? What hands do you think he min raises from mp with and then shoves the flop?

Tried putting him on a range and stoving it?

How many outs do you think we have vs the nuts?

Never folding.

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I am not sure he raises and calls a 3bet with 77/88/JT. Would expect him to limp with 77/88 and just fold JT, with him being 13/9. Could well be wrong, but they are my assumptions.

I think he min raises with AK/AQs, maybe some other suited broadways. If he does it with suited broadways, not sure if he would shove to a FD? Unless he has added straight draw as well? Something like QJ/QT?

I put it in stove, but not sure I use it to the full extent that everyone does on here. I put in the flop, my cards and what I thought he could have, AK/AQ/JTs/JTo/TT and I was 62/38 favourite.

You flopped top set in a 3b pot and you're wondering what to do? Villain just volunteered his stack, thank him kindly.

Here's a better question, why are you 3betting preflop, and why did you pick the size you did?

Insta-call.

A straight is the only thing that has Hero beat here, and Hero has 7 outs on the turn and 10 outs on the river to fill up or catch quads. Even if Villain has JhTh, Hero has 35% equity to win. Keep in mind that Hero blocks that straight-flush redraw.

At the decision, there is $2.21 in the pot, and Hero has $1.72 to call. Hero needs at least 30% equity to make a profitable call. Hero has 35% equity against the worst-case scenario. Equity is greater than pot odds so call.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Insta-call.

A straight is the only thing that has Hero beat here, and Hero has 7 outs on the turn and 10 outs on the river to fill up or catch quads. Even if Villain has JhTh, Hero has 35% equity to win. Keep in mind that Hero blocks that straight-flush redraw.

At the decision, there is $2.21 in the pot, and Hero has $1.72 to call. Hero needs at least 30% equity to make a profitable call. Hero has 35% equity against the worst-case scenario. Equity is greater than pot odds so call.

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This is the stuff I can never work out, thanks for the reply.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ll-173396.html

Just remember that when you flop a set, you have at least 33.4% chance of improving to a boat or quads. The only thing that really dominates this is a higher set. That's so close to 1/3, just think of it as such.

What is the largest bet that is profitable to call (if you know you're behind, but not dominated)?
hint:

Spoiler: Show

pot odds = bet/(bet + bet + pot)

answer:

Spoiler: Show

PSB
1/(1 + 1 + 1) = 1/3

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

I am not sure he raises and calls a 3bet with 77/88/JT. Would expect him to limp with 77/88 and just fold JT, with him being 13/9. Could well be wrong, but they are my assumptions.

I think he min raises with AK/AQs, maybe some other suited broadways. If he does it with suited broadways, not sure if he would shove to a FD? Unless he has added straight draw as well? Something like QJ/QT?

I put it in stove, but not sure I use it to the full extent that everyone does on here. I put in the flop, my cards and what I thought he could have, AK/AQ/JTs/JTo/TT and I was 62/38 favourite.

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Anyone min raising from mp can easily have at least 77/88 in his range here imo. I wouldn't discount KK/AA either, especially when he shoves flop.

His shoving range is mostly sets, KK+ (maybe QQ) and FDs. No matter what you are crushing.

you are realistically only behind TJs/56s (he doesn't have T6), and these have to be discounted a bunch - stove your equity vs TJs/56s only and you might be surprised. 77 and 88 fit his line perfectly. Plus he can have weird JJ/TT/66/55/combo draws. Call. And then start putting a few ranges into stove vs this board and your holding and see if you can find a plausible range that makes this anything other than a snap call.

Call. You have top set in a 3bet pot. I 3bet more pre to like 0.16. If he's 3x or more I just flat call pre.

Easy call i think. You beat a lot of draws and turn and river could help you if you are beatten in flop

Hey cobra,
What game u play? 6max only?

Bottom set and we'll talk about folding.

Top set, waaayyyy too many worse hands and you have some equity against the flopped straight.

He'll maybe have TJs in his range, but I doubt hearts shoves over your flop bet.

I give him three combos of TJs, 77-88, and all sorts of fd+overs+sd type combos. Calling this happily all day long, we're usually ahead, and never in horrible shape. This isn't close, it's not a tough spot at all.

i wanna play in games where i can make people fold top set otf in 3b pots

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Originally Posted by bikes

i wanna play in games where i can make people fold top set otf in 3b pots

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You wanna come join my games? I fold the nuts....

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Originally Posted by d0zer

You flopped top set in a 3b pot and you're wondering what to do? Villain just volunteered his stack, thank him kindly.

Here's a better question, why are you 3betting preflop, and why did you pick the size you did?

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I'd like the OP to answer d0zer's question

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Originally Posted by d0zer

You flopped top set in a 3b pot and you're wondering what to do? Villain just volunteered his stack, thank him kindly.

Here's a better question, why are you 3betting preflop, and why did you pick the size you did?

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Sorry, completely missed this.

I am 3betting pre because I don't want both blinds coming along with only a min raise and I chose 0.12 as I didn't feel my hand was strong enough for a bigger 3bet but I didn't want to just call either.

You size your 3bets based on your hand strength?

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Originally Posted by killerkebab

You size your 3bets based on your hand strength?

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Sometimes yeah. That's not to say I 3bet say 0.18 every time with AA and 0.12 every time with 99, I just felt 0.12 was right for this hand.

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

Sorry, completely missed this.

I am 3betting pre because I don't want both blinds coming along with only a min raise and I chose 0.12 as I didn't feel my hand was strong enough for a bigger 3bet but I didn't want to just call either.

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Wow, just...wow

don't choose your bet size on your hand strength...base it on what you are trying to accomplish and odds that you're offering...since you don't want the blinds coming along then 3b bigger to cut down their odds...I like kmind's $0.16...
personally, I love to set mine mid pairs (to a decent pf open 3x or 4x)and with a flop like that...it's going to the felt as quick as I can get it there...