2nl flop trips - value?

Back at 2nl after cashing out large % of BR and having nightmare day yesterday at 5nl. Played a light session this evening, at first this seemed an uninteresting hand, but upon review I'm thinking I'm losing value here. I think it's these seemingly uninteresting hands that need more focus in order to maximise my winrate.

No HUD, so only notes to go by.

pfr is mostly unknown, seen him raise a couple of times, cbet flop takes it down.
sb is bad 2nl m-tabling reg, I was oop on another table with him and he kept cold calling my 3bets pre, so I moved table to jesus seat him. A couple of hands previous to this one he 3b/f his bu vs my cold 4b from sb with KK.
Notes - cold calls 3bets, likes to bluff raise.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

Button ($0.81)
SB ($4.27)
Hero (BB) ($6.01)
UTG ($5)
MP ($0.97)
CO ($4.76)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...cards/club.gif, Ahttp://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...cards/club.gif
2 folds, CO bets $0.06, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18) 5http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ds/diamond.gif, 2http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...cards/club.gif, 5http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ards/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.13, SB raises to $0.32, Hero raises to $0.84, 2 folds

Total pot: $0.95 | Rake: $0.03

Pre flop, should I be squeezing here? I don't feel I have much fold equity after the KK hand, and since pfr is unknown, seems risky.

I check flop because I'm confident pfr is gonna b/f most of his range, I intend to just flat pfr but bad reg raises.

I raise because I hope he is still steaming from my 4bet earlier, obv want him to spew his pairs or find a big bluff with his air. Doesn't seem like a great plan when pfr is still in and might find a call with his overs, and sb might barrel another street.
And does my flop 3b sizing suck? Sure looks like it to me upon review, I'd be all over this sizing if someone else posted this hand.

Curious what people think optimal play is here. Cheers.

I fold preflop and just flat on flop. It's 2NL but you're against thinking players and your line just looks really strong. I mean honestly with your line you have the worst hand in the range I'd give you.

Edit: Didn't notice stack sizes. I flat pre.

ez flop call

call

Ranges can be really wide pre so I don't think calling pre is bad at all. Raising this flop seems terribad though. You're basically screaming I have you crushed.

calling pre is fine
otf - even flatting the sb's c/r is yelling that we've got a strong hand so I think that I'd bet ~$0.15, call any c/r from sb and do a potsize donk on any turn

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Originally Posted by kmind

I fold preflop and just flat on flop. It's 2NL but you're against thinking players and your line just looks really strong. I mean honestly with your line you have the worst hand in the range I'd give you.

Edit: Didn't notice stack sizes. I flat pre.

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If he was against thinking players 3bing the flop would be perfectly fine since basically hero and villain should never have a real hand on this flop.
That said this is 2NL and your opponents aren't braindead and even if they were flop is still a call. It's really hard for villain to have a hand so unless he has some balls your flop 3b is a disaster.

edit: sizing, yeah that's horrible too surprise no one else mentioned it, raising to something like 60c here is plenty for value/bluffs on a board like this. Once again though this is 2NL and when your going for value versus bad players you should probably be making is bigger but shouldn't you already know this...

yeah i'd call pre and call the flop, try and keep both players in the pot ,pfr might catch an over and think he's good and SB might continue to barrel.

Thanks guys. I think I'm guilty here of assuming neither of these guys fold 66+ just because it's 2nl, and these guys don't know I've stepped down from 25nl so they won't be intimidated by me.

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unless he has some balls your flop 3b is a disaster.

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Well this was why I 3b, my notes indictae that sb does indeed have some balls, but I guess I'm dumb to think he's got big enough balls to 4b bluff vs bb at 2nl on 55x flop.

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Once again though this is 2NL and when your going for value versus bad players you should probably be making is bigger but shouldn't you already know this...

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This was the reason for the large 3b, but when he folds I'm thinking I raised too much to induce spew, I force his air and maybe some 33 44 66 etc out of the hand.

I certainly don't 3b 22 here, and I don't have 52 in my range obv. I can have 45s 56s 57s in my range this deep vs sb, guess I play these the same as my A5s.

A5o I fold pre. So with me having so little that hits this flop, I knida hope this looks like a bluff. Giving 2nl'ers too much credit for thinking about my range lol.

I didn't even consider donking flop because I know pfr is betting a high %, don't want him to fold without putting any more money in. Shotty, a donk bet of 0.15 seems pretty large on this flop, I'm not exactly scared of draws. If I'm gonna donk, I'm going 0.10.

It's funny how I seem to be able to pick off correct sizing better when playing poker in the BC, rather than at the tables. When I posted this hand I thought 0.55-0.60 looks much better than my actual bet.

Thanks again, gonna try and post more hands, esp where I think I'm losing value. I pretty much know when I spew as soon as I do it, but the hands where I'm throwing money away by forcing villains out of the hand, these are the ones I want to focus on.

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Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

If he was against thinking players 3bing the flop would be perfectly fine since basically hero and villain should never have a real hand on this flop.
That said this is 2NL and your opponents aren't braindead and even if they were flop is still a call. It's really hard for villain to have a hand so unless he has some balls your flop 3b is a disaster.

edit: sizing, yeah that's horrible too surprise no one else mentioned it, raising to something like 60c here is plenty for value/bluffs on a board like this. Once again though this is 2NL and when your going for value versus bad players you should probably be making is bigger but shouldn't you already know this...

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My "thinking player" is different than your "thinking player". I guess I should have specified that I meant a 2NL thinking player = someone that isn't good at hand reading but sees certain lines as scary and can fold.

Squeezing isn't an essential part of your arsenal at 2NL where it's easy enough to win without ever squeezing. So when I see someone do it or even consider it, I immediately wonder what you felt the considerations were, both pro and con, in the specific situation.

call is fine pre given stack depth. had SB folded i'd definitely prefer a 3b to calling, which is almost definitely what i'd do if i felt BU villain was at all familar with "blind stealing" and could fold to 3b's. i'd C/C flop and take it from there. 3b'ing as played seems pretty bad when we can call and keep 66+ in our perceived range (so TT+ might still put more money in against us, unlike if we check/3bet this flop).

fwiw, i think this can be a very good play against certain players i've played against who know we rep fuck all here and aren't afraid to put their stack in the pot based on that read. unforunately there are probably 0 of those guys at 2nl

Pre-flop i think it´s ok. I think call in flop is the best play to induce more action in next streets...