[2NL] A2s in SB

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09-13-2012, 02:43 PM
Cobra_1878

[2NL] A2s in SB

Villain was 37/7 through 187 hands. Limped 32% of the time, calling a raise afterwards 81% of the time. Folded to 55% of cbets on flop and 38% of cbets on turn.

I know he didn't like to fold. He couldn't lay down 77 on an all club flop, calling off 3 bets with 2 overs out. Had seen him call another 3 bets with nothing on flop, then TP on turn & river. Had also seen him limp on button with 9Ts and limp/call a 0.10 raise on button with J6s. I had also seen him call a 3bet, OOP, with QTo.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($0.69)
Hero (SB) ($4.69)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5.22)
MP ($4.11)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
1 fold, MP calls $0.02, Button calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, MP calls $0.06, Button calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.26) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.17, MP calls $0.17, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.60) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, MP calls $0.40

River: ($1.40) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.60, Hero ???

Really not sure what he could be calling with? I know he could quite likely have nothing, but I was playing fairly tight, 17/15, and he seemed to respect my betting. I only cbet 45% of the time but had a 100% cbet on the turn... Help?
09-13-2012, 03:04 PM
thelorax

i think pre is ok, kinda sucks playing this hand oop vs a massive station though.

flop bigger, turn bigger, meh i guess call now.

just my 2 cents.

could be value in raising river but it kinda sucks to raise/fold here.

/ im pretty sure your stats arent gunna matter here cause hes likely not running a HUD or paying attention.
09-13-2012, 03:52 PM
The Bean Counter

Probably flat pre as we're out of position against two stations and have a reasonable multiway hand.

Donking/cbetting flop and turn is fine with trips against stations likely to chk this board behind but call with any shit.

River is ugly and stinks of value, but I can't find a fold here against villain's range. I don't think b/f has any merit here given the pot size but interesting to see what others think.
09-13-2012, 03:55 PM
kickass

Flat pre flop bigger turn bigger and bet/fold river like more than half pot.
09-13-2012, 04:06 PM
Miffed22001

limp pre has already been noted - go bigger on all streets IMO closer to 0.2, 0.5, river is then almost too much to fold - might even be a marginal shove.

This type of villain wont notice the difference at these stakes if you pot pot (cant fold) river
09-13-2012, 04:08 PM
thelorax

LOL just noticed we checked the river...
bet/fold for sure
09-13-2012, 04:22 PM
The Bean Counter

Being an idiot mis reading stack sizes without realising you're deep: b/f river seems fine to me.
09-13-2012, 10:45 PM
daven

don't raise pre
bet river, as played c-raise about $2.10
09-14-2012, 12:00 AM
tiltingdonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

I know he didn't like to fold. He couldn't lay down 77 on an all club flop, calling off 3 bets with 2 overs out. Had seen him call another 3 bets with nothing on flop, then TP on turn & river. Had also seen him limp on button with 9Ts and limp/call a 0.10 raise on button with J6s. I had also seen him call a 3bet, OOP, with QTo.

Bet river. Big.
09-14-2012, 12:20 AM
supa

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

don't raise pre
bet river, as played c-raise about $2.10

C/R??? No comprende.

Obv leading is good but how often are we ahead when he calls our c/r?
09-14-2012, 05:05 AM
tiltingdonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by supa

C/R??? No comprende.

Obv leading is good but how often are we ahead when he calls our c/r?

TT-77,44-33,A6,K6s,Q6s,76s,K2s could call I think, basing on OP's reads. There seems to be more combos of these vs. his flushes but I guess the c/r is thin? If we can include any J that miraculously got to the river then I think we're ahead often enough I think.
09-14-2012, 01:10 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

don't raise pre
bet river, as played c-raise about $2.10

this is thin (and not saying i dont agree) - what 2x hands have we got him on pre considering we have the A2 type he would most likely have...
09-15-2012, 08:30 AM
Pascal

Completing seems the better option to me, we'll be playing for flushes/straights/trips rather than TP so we don't mind if there are more people in as they're more likely to have dominated draws.

After completing I'd lead out flop for basically pot, basically pot turn and then bet river for value depending on who kept calling/stack sizes blah blah etc.

As played, definitely not folding. I think we get more value from mid and pocket pairs by betting though.
09-15-2012, 07:13 PM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by supa

C/R??? No comprende.

Obv leading is good but how often are we ahead when he calls our c/r?

i mean, i hate checking river. We're ahead most of the time, we're still ahead a lot (obv less cos he checks back some of the stuff we beat, but bets everything that beats us) when he bets when checked to and people call too much. We'll lose at showdown when the check-raise is called than when a simple river bet is called obviously, hmm, i should maths this one. Back shortly.
09-15-2012, 07:33 PM
daven

river range blah.
He can get there with something like:
22-88, 34s, 45s, 56s, 67s, A2dd, K2dd, 23dd, 24dd, Acxc, KQcc, QTcc, KTcc, 78cc (i'm limiting the flush draw combos there cos he might fold some on the turn cos paired board plus turn sizing etc)

bet river, villain raises most flushes and all boats - only 66 and 55 make sense for boats. The only 2x hands he can reasonably have are Ad2d, Kd2d, 2d3d, 2d4d. Probably doesn't raise or fold with any of these.

check river, villan bets pretty much everything so calling is obviously going to be profitable as we're calling 60c into $2.60 and ahead more than 25% so profitable after rake.

check-raise river. We're putting in $2.10 to return $5.60 (i'm assuming villain never folds better vs the check-raise) so need to be good about 40% when called to be ahead of breakeven Villain calls all of 22-88, 34s, all 2x, all 65, some 67, all flushes? sound plausible? based on the quote below describing villain then without going to the effort of stove or combo counting it looks like it's ok. More or less than just calling the bet on the river? maybe someone who wants to learn to compare EVs of different actions wants to do that math and stove it and stuff?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

I know he didn't like to fold. He couldn't lay down 77 on an all club flop, calling off 3 bets with 2 overs out. Had seen him call another 3 bets with nothing on flop, then TP on turn & river. Had also seen him limp on button with 9Ts and limp/call a 0.10 raise on button with J6s. I had also seen him call a 3bet, OOP, with QTo.