[2NL] 9To, missing value on river?

Villain was 30/11 through 56 hands. Not too much info on him, he folded to cbets on flop 33% of time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($2.90)
UTG ($2)
MP ($1.11)
Hero (CO) ($2.03)
Button ($2)
SB ($4.27)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.14) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.34) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.28

River: ($1.14) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero ???

Not sure whether to call or raise here? If he hits his flush, will he bet small to induce a raise and then shove on me? Or is he betting small because he is afraid of the flush himself? Am I losing value if I just call here?

A 30/11 passive Villain donk-bets the turn AND the river? The river donk is after you re-raised the turn! Villain is either ridiculously strong or stupid (likely both)... or you've been bullying and he thinks he's the bully.

I'd have to make a crying call, and take a note on this one.

I like your sizing throughout.
I wonder if anybody thinks you can raise more on the turn?

Yes i think you can raise more on the turn you have the nuts. The pot is 17bb then sb bets another 6bb making it 23bb. When you raise you see his 6bb bet making the pot 29bb. You put 20bb into the pot on the turn but only 14bb was a raise the other six was to match villains bet so you were raising 14bb into 29bb on the turn with the nuts. I would have raised around 22bb here considering his donk i think he has a strong made hand and you'll get plenty of calls. 6bb + 22bb 0.12 + 0.44 = 0.56 i would have raised to around 0.56c on the turn.

Agreed you should raise more on the turn. Because he donked small, you need to make a bigger relative raise to lower his pot odds. Here, he's asked to call .28 into a pot holding .86 i.e. over 3:1 pot odds. He's priced out if he has a flush draw, but if he's going to call .28 there, he's very likely to call somewhat more. Plus you set up your stack to shove around the pot on the river.

As for what to make of his donking both the turn and river, the turn is a blank unless he has 44, which is fine with you anyway. So what else might he have to call oop pre- and then to check-call the flop before donking small on the turn? Maybe a flush draw hoping to see the river cheaply, but since he might fold at least some of them, it seems more likely after that he calls your raise that there are more combos in his range that are decent made hands.

When he donks again on the river, I tend to think he's not playing you for the flush. This isn't a strong feeling, but being on the passive side, he'd more likely tend to assume you wouldn't play a draw this way because he probably wouldn't.

I'd guess he has something like QJ or 88. I don't think either calling or raising is awful, but I'd probably call, in part because I didn't price out his draws more on the turn.

I'd rather jam river than call. Villain never folds 2pair or a good 1pair and almost never has a flush given sizings + bet flop and turn more.

I'd raise turn bigger and raise river.

I'm overbetting flop b/c if he has any piece, he wont fold.
Also raising bigger on turn.

I'm not folding the river, just not sure of raising.....maybe listen to everyone else.

bigger on turn, jam river imo

I like raising river instead of a call. And if we're raising, I like a jam rather than a small raise. I just can't see this being a flush often enough based on villain's stats. If he's calling a raise with a weaker hand he'll call a jam imo. and yeah, raise more on turn.

i'd bet at least pot on the flop and more if he had given me any reason to think it won't affect his calling range greatly

flop bigger, raise turn bigger

like the flop sizing
raise turn to ~$0.54
shove river

If he shows up with :d::d: (which I doubt) then make a note that he's a flush chasing fool and whatever he shows then make a note that he likes to donk with it.

ap - shove river

Pro tip: Fish NEVER blockbet/fold river. Fistpump jam!

This is probably my main weakness in rings.
Trying to build a reasonable pot from the nuts on the flop, while keeping the customer.
And end up having allowed myself to be outdrawn cheaply.

You haven't told us the result yet. Curious to know the outcome.

Will post the outcome in a couple of days.

Cobra,

I'm curious, Are you opening this in hi-jack?

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Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

Cobra,

I'm curious, Are you opening this in hi-jack?

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6-max, opening from CO.