[2NL] 77 OOP, BTN Raise.

First hand of the session but I did have stats from a previous session, not many hands though.

Villain was 14/11 through 37 hands. Att to Steal on button was 50% and cbet on flop was 75%.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($2)
UTG ($2.50)
MP ($5.35)
CO ($2)
Button ($2.94)
SB ($3.28)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
3 folds, Button bets $0.06, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.09, Hero calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.31) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($0.31) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.21, Button raises to $0.93, Hero ???

No idea at all.

Nice now fold. You should give a predicted range though in your post.

Not sure what we get value from on the river when we bet since spades got there etc. He has every combo of Ax almost since it pretty much will never get 2barreled. c/c > b

You don't think he can have spades/Kx(very small%)/smaller full house enough of the time to warrant b/f?

Seems like a perfectly good b/f spot to me, I doubt he's bluffing much on that board and river raises are generally strong.

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Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

Not sure what we get value from on the river when we bet since spades got there etc. He has every combo of Ax almost since it pretty much will never get 2barreled. c/c > b

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Did you misread the board and not see there's 3 aces, not 2? ;)

Seems like an easy b/f to me too, I like your line if you folded river.

what calls we beat now? a flush??? Hope he bluffs, and cc, this guy isn't calling w k high.
I fold now ldo.

lol @ villain's river raise range

quads

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Originally Posted by Pascal

Did you misread the board and not see there's 3 aces, not 2? ;)

Seems like an easy b/f to me too, I like your line if you folded river.

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No? Just because he has quads doesn't mean he rarely has it. There's tonnes of combos.

We can't ever value bet spades here so our range is going to seem pretty full of bluffs to him, I think he calls Kx / 5x / 4x often enough to make it a profitable bet and he won't bluff raise river often at all at these stakes

I would b/f turn and b/f river. My reasoning is he may call the turn with a 4 with 45 34 type hands being in his BTN range also he may call with two broadway cards hoping to hit a decent house, so he will call with worse and he may also fold as an Ax is a large part of your BB calling range although it is unlikely you have quads. He still might fold all un-paired hands on the turn and your not giving broadways a free card to out house you on the river. Also it's an easy fold to a raise on the turn and on the river, as the likelihood of him trying to buy the pot with a bluff is unlikely on such a board so folding is easy unless you have a specific read otherwise.

I think a lot of you are overestimating the amount of times he calls w/ Kx which is likely never. We don't look bluffy at all. People don't OOP float 9high or w/e. We lose to 88+ and Ax which is like. There's 44 combos of Ax alone that we are crushed by. Even if he checks those back 1/2 the time even though I think it's going to be more then that that's still 22 combos of Ax along with 36 combos of overpairs. So even if he checks back hands that beat us 1/2 the time he still has 40 combos of hands that beat us. If you can find 40 combos of 4x and 5x then all the power to you.

Actually what about c/r flop as alot of Ax in our preflop range, he will fold all un-paired hands with is a tonne and we take it on flop, if he calls his range is crushing us say Ax 66,88+ possibly K5-KQ of spades we're beating only 66 and the spade draws but they have equity against us so if he calls our c/r on the flop shut it down on turn and river c/f both streets. As we're realistically only beating 14 combos of his range and 36 combos of overpairs are crushing us and tonnes of Ax's as well so i actually think c/r flop, c/f turn c/f river. Check raise purely to fold out all unpaired hands in his preflop range that whiffed the flop.

Min-raise it as well as we're essentially bluffing trying to fold unpaired hands and not trying to extract value?

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Originally Posted by seven-deuce

Actually what about c/r flop as alot of Ax in our preflop range, he will fold all un-paired hands with is a tonne and we take it on flop, if he calls his range is crushing us say Ax 66,88+ possibly K5-KQ of spades we're beating only 66 and the spade draws but they have equity against us so if he calls our c/r on the flop shut it down on turn and river c/f both streets. As we're realistically only beating 14 combos of his range and 36 combos of overpairs are crushing us and tonnes of Ax's as well so i actually think c/r flop, c/f turn c/f river. Check raise purely to fold out all unpaired hands in his preflop range that whiffed the flop.

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Yeah, I like this. Seems to make the most sense raising on flop. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

Yeah, I like this. Seems to make the most sense raising on flop. Thanks.

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I think raising the flop is absolute lunacy unless it's for value v Kx etc.

Why though? Its exploiting his wide cbetting range he will dump all missed hands if he's not a complete lunatic. It's also a good board to c/r as it hits our BB flatting range more than his BTN range. If he calls we know we're behind nearly all the time and if he raises we fold.

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Originally Posted by seven-deuce

It's also a good board to c/r as it hits our BB flatting range more than his BTN range.

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No? You are turning a perfectly fine hand to c/c with into a bluff for absolutely no reason. If he's cbetting super wide and you really do think we can rep a hand why not just wait until we have complete air?

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Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

You are turning a perfectly fine hand to c/c with into a bluff for absolutely no reason. If he's cbetting super wide and you really do think we can rep a hand why not just wait until we have complete air?

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Ahhh this makes sense i think i get it. We will extract more value from c/c with our showdown value if he's cbetting really wide, but if we c/c he can barrell us off on turn and river so we lose our flop call?

So if we can rep a hand against a guy who cbets a tonne it's better to wait until we have complete air because we pick up value from a hand that otherwise we would have lost with? And we will make more in the long run picking off his bluffs with hands that have showdown value such as 77?

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Originally Posted by seven-deuce

Ahhh this makes sense i think i get it. We will extract more value from c/c with our showdown value if he's cbetting really wide, but if we c/c he can barrell us off on turn and river so we lose our flop call?

So if we can rep a hand against a guy who cbets a tonne it's better to wait until we have complete air because we pick up value from a hand that otherwise we would have lost with? And we will make more in the long run picking off his bluffs with hands that have showdown value such as 77?

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Yeah that sums it up pretty well.

Yeah, vbet's too thin, especially with that sizing. I mean if you really wanted to bet, bet like 6c or something really small. 20c is way too big considering what we're trying to accomplish. Don't x/r flop because we would be turning a perfectly good hand that we can x/c for profit into a bluff for no reason at all.

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Originally Posted by kmind

Nice now fold. You should give a predicted range though in your post.

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best you can do - higher pair is predictable