KJ on BU

6-max (shallow)
Co is 60/4 station, I'm trying to iso in position, BB just joined the table 1 orbit prior, this is the first money he has put in the pot.


His donk on the flop seems strong here, is he slow-playing,does AJ wake up here, or QT hit...

Folding here w/ no read??


Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $2.35
UTG: $1.57
CO: $1.55
Hero (BTN): $4.22
SB: $2.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J:club: K:heart:

fold, CO calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.16, fold, BB calls $0.12, CO calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.50, 3 players) 7:club: A:club: K:spade:
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.50, 3 players) J:spade:
BB bets $0.34, fold, fold

BB wins $0.47

What donk on the flop?

Bet flop, and as played call turn, call most rivers.

*edit... actually I think checking flop in this spot is probably correct, we got two calls and the likelihood of someone holding an ace is reasonably high.

I also just noticed you folded this turn... facepalm. Don't post results, and don't fold this turn!

I am not sure what to do on the flop - I'd probably bet when checked to, but that would almost certainly be a mistake so this is a hand I can learn from - not much better can fold to a bet, and not much worse can call, although we do charge some draws, mostly we're just bloating the pot with a marginal hand.

Don't fold the turn. Call and call a bet on the river, or bet-fold (for about pot or a little less) non-club rivers if checked to. Check behind club rivers, because I doubt sets, AJ or slowplayed AK are folding, and on club rivers I doubt there's any more value to be had from worse hands.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

What donk on the flop?

Bet flop, and as played call turn, call most rivers.

*edit... actually I think checking flop in this spot is probably correct, we got two calls and the likelihood of someone holding an ace is reasonably high.

I also just noticed you folded this turn... facepalm. Don't post results, and don't fold this turn!

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whoops, sorry I meant the turn..... noted on posting results, and on not folding here...

don't fold turn

call turn and guage what to do by villains action on the river. i probably would cbet this flop but i am entirely unable to justify doing that, so i probably shouldn't be.

Ya know, the fact it went three-way veered me off c-betting the flop here, and the BB ended up being a wicked fish-o, he cold called my co 3bet , and I stacked him a couple hands later.

Should I be calling a pot bet here also???

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Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

Should I be calling a pot bet here also???

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Yes, any size bet up to pot is fine to call here.

I would c-bet the flop for value here. BB may be unknown, but you'll still be taking the pot down lots IP here or you could be called by worse hands including draws and worse Ks. I like to keep initiative and chbk most turns to pot control. When you don't cbet, you're likely to be lost facing aggression on non-J turns/rivers.

As played, defo calling the turn. He could be stabbing here with loads of draws and Ax which you've got crushed. Probably calling most river bets as well.

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Originally Posted by Petulie

I would c-bet the flop for value here. BB may be unknown, but you'll still be taking the pot down lots IP here or you could be called by worse hands including draws and worse Ks. I like to keep initiative and chbk most turns to pot control. When you don't cbet, you're likely to be lost facing aggression on non-J turns/rivers.

As played, defo calling the turn. He could be stabbing here with loads of draws and Ax which you've got crushed. Probably calling most river bets as well.

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Flop: (.50)BB: Check, CO: Check, Hero: c-bet 2/3p .34, 1fold, BB: calls .34 , pot: 1.18
Effective stack on Turn: 1.85(46bb's)
Turn: Js
Assuming villain takes same line here turn bet is about .80
wow, yeah it's interesting to see how a different line changes the dynamic of this hand.
Not folding the turn for sure now.
But since I check the flop, is folding really a horrible play?

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Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

... since I check the flop, is folding really a horrible play?

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Yea, it's between a raise and a call as played. If the BB is a reg, then most times he'll check to you as the pfr and he's also oop 3way on the flop. When the flop checks through and BB leads this turn, I imagine his range is very tp heavy which you've obv got beat. Given the stack sizes, I'd probably call to let him fire the river and raise to get the rest in on blank cards. AJ and QT are a small part of his range so you should be looking to extract value from the rest. You've also got 6 outs to a boat here! Given your made equity and chance to improve, a 2/3psb on the turn is an easy call.

Having thought more about the flop, it's probably close between a cbet and checking back. Both have their merits - by checking back you can pot control and your hand is rather invulnerable - you're not too worried about bad cards coming down for you. Idk, Iz feesh, so I cbet and hope to take it down.