Small PP in SB

Villain was loose/kinda aggro. running 53/31 over 98 hands. I had seen him station a lot but never folds. I was thinking this would be a good spot to set mine, but I know the SB is a bad position with a hand like 33. What are your thoughts?

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (8 handed) - Cake-Poker Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

BB ($3.39)
UTG ($2.97)
UTG+1 ($1.74)
MP1 ($1.94)
MP2 ($2.07)
CO ($3.72)
Button ($3.58)
Hero (SB) ($4.02)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ards/heart.gif, 7http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ards/spade.gif
4 folds, CO bets $0.08, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.06, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.20) 10http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ards/heart.gif, 2http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ards/heart.gif, 8http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...ds/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, CO calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.40) 5http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/...cards/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.40, Hero folds

Total pot: $0.40 | Rake: $0.02

I donked the turn b/c I thought I was ahead.

The villain's an aggressive calling station?
IMO, I wouldn't donk the flop. It's called a weak lead or a blocking bet because a lot of people use that to find out where they are in a hand.

c/f flop. You missed your set. It'll be too difficult to extract anything when you're oop plus since he's a station you won't be able to push him off a hand.

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Originally Posted by gotigers1234

I donked the turn b/c I thought I was ahead.

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Thinking you're ahead is never a reason to bet.

You can bet for 3 reasons:

1. To get called by worse
2. To make better fold
3. To collect dead money

That's it.

"I'm ahead" is not a reason to bet, because if you're ahead, but worse can't/won't call, then you can't bet for value.

Calling pre is fine. The donk bet on flop into a station w/ 3rd pair is dubious at best. If you ARE ahead, you still have a very weak hand. A station is going to call you down to see all 5 board cards. You must catch one of your 2 outs to play to showdown here.

You played the hand to set mine, but when you missed the set, you decided to bluff a station. Be extremely reluctant to change your pre-flop plan on the flop.

I'd call pre and c/c flop. Reassess turn. Prob call another small bet as villain seems aggro. If his mistake is betting too much then calling down with a medium hand seems ok to me. But you need to get a better idea of how he plays post flop. He's aggro pre, what's his cbet stats? Have you seem him barrel with trash? You might be better off waiting for a tpwk type hand but I'd prob be curious with my 7s.

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Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider

Thinking you're ahead is never a reason to bet.

You can bet for 3 reasons:

1. To get called by worse
2. To make better fold
3. To collect dead money

That's it.

"I'm ahead" is not a reason to bet, because if you're ahead, but worse can't/won't call, then you can't bet for value.

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Let's add to this a bit, since I think it would help.

Specifically, in relation to this hand:

REASON 1: You can't really bet for value here - what worse can call? Some weaker hands can call, but not enough for it to be a good value betting spot. You say he's a station, perhaps pocket 3s through 6s can call, but it's a very thin value bet as he has a lot of hands that beat you in his calling range.

He can call with a flush draw or a straight draw, but with a lot of those hands he has quite a bit of equity, at the top of that range he has hands like Jh9h or JhQh that crush you, or AhKh which is a favourite - you can't be betting for value against hands that are favourites to win, that's like value betting 77 here against QQ. Even medium strength draws like JsQs have enough equity that betting for value is thin.

It's also an ugly spot if you get to the river and you've built a big pot by value betting then he raises a busted draw on you with multiple overcards to your pair out on the board, what do you do then?

REASON 2: What better can fold here? You say he's a station, he's certainly not folding an overpair, he's not folding a ten, he's probably not folding an 8 or pocket 9s. He probably can't fold anything here that beats you, so you can't possibly bluff.

REASON 3: You can bet to collect dead money, but since we expect him to cbet the flop, if you think he'll cbet with stuff with little equity like AcJc or something, then you're better off checkraising the flop, since he'll put more dead money in there with his cbet for you to collect. Remember again though, that you said he's a station, so then when he calls your checkraise with 3h6h, what do you do now with a bloated turn pot?

With his weak heart draws, you can't bet to collect dead money, since he's a station and he's never folding them, so then you're betting for value, but again it's not a good spot since if he bluffs the river with a busted flush you can't call, and although you may wish to charge his draws, you can't really do much here in a nothing pot with a hand that may well already be behind.

When you're betting for reason 3, you don't mind him folding a worse hand than yours (like AcJc) since he does have some equity with that to draw out, so you'd rather the hand didn't check down because then you're just giving him a freeroll to catch his 6 outs.

Reason 3 is really the only conceivable reason to bet here that isn't too thin, and if you are going to bet to collect dead money then a checkraise makes more sense than donking.

I'd really encourage you to think about what a bet here can accomplish in terms of the reasons for betting above. If you donked into me on that flop, I'd just raise you no matter what I held, then what would you do?

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Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider

Reason 3 is really the only conceivable reason to bet here that isn't too thin, and if you are going to bet to collect dead money then a checkraise makes more sense than donking.

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Really a bad idea. OP said that he's stationy never folds. If that's true then a c/r only builds a bloated pot.

I'm wondering if against these kind of villains we're better off just folding pre to the raise when we're oop with mid pair and play broadway and big pairs against him instead.

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Originally Posted by Shotglass

Really a bad idea. OP said that he's stationy never folds. If that's true then a c/r only builds a bloated pot.

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A fine observation, but I did say:

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Remember again though, that you said he's a station, so then when he calls your checkraise with 3h6h, what do you do now with a bloated turn pot?

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If your opponent is stationy, this is a good spot to get some value.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I'm wondering if against these kind of villains we're better off just folding pre to the raise when we're oop with mid pair and play broadway and big pairs against him instead.

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This would be around the borderline I think (I'd like 88 tbh). If 'kinda aggro' was instead 'very aggro' then playing for set value increases in EV, but here I think we want to make good TP/2nd Pair type hands.