KK v.s. 45o

Here Is a hand from today, I only have 56 hands v.s. villain,vpip:25 pfr:23 but about 10 hands back he 4bet shoved AA v.s. Hi-jack. So when he flats me pre-flop I'm taking QQ-AA out of his range. Also villain is surely tilted here from being sucked out w/ his A's.

I decide to donk the flop for tilt value here also. good (y/n)?

Is my 3bet on flop too excessive? On these hands when I know I'm getting it all in I feel like I'm not making the best moves...

The other question I have is my read on his range here. I knew he was on tilt, But still think he is calling a 3bet w/ 88-JJ AT-AQ KQ he may have been 4 bet shoving w/ any of those hands. He now has 36% equity on flop and I'm giving him 2.5 to1 odds to call. He's almost right in calling after that 3bet isn't he?

I wonder if he's folding to my 3bet on flop without open ender. In that case my flop play seems ridiculous.....



Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $7.29
Hero (SB): $4.18
BB: $4.25
UTG: $3.74
MP: $8.92
CO: $5.47

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has K:diamond: K:club:

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.09, fold, Hero raises to $0.26, fold, CO calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.56, 2 players) 6:diamond: Q:heart: 3:spade:
Hero bets $0.38, CO raises to $0.88, Hero raises to $2.43, CO calls $1.55

Turn: ($5.42, 2 players) 6:spade:
Hero raises to $1.49 and is all-in, CO calls $1.49


River: ($8.40, 2 players) 4:spade:

[spoil]Hero shows K:diamond: K:club: (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes) (Pre 82%, Flop 66%, Turn 82%)
CO shows 4:diamond: 5:club: (Two Pair, Sixes and Fours) (Pre 18%, Flop 34%, Turn 18%)
Hero wins $7.84
[/spoil]

4nl. trying to get into the head of these people is insanity.

Bet a little bigger on the flop, like $0.45 to $0.50, and jam over his raise. I guess it's OK as played, but since you leave so little behind and hence are never folding after raising the flop, you might as well just jam.

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Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider

Bet a little bigger on the flop, like $0.45 to $0.50, and jam over his raise. I guess it's OK as played, but since you leave so little behind and hence are never folding after raising the flop, you might as well just jam.

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Right, but should I be Jamming this flop? or maybe just tacking on smaller bets street to street?

how would you have played this one spider given the info on this fella...

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Originally Posted by bikes

4nl. trying to get into the head of these people is insanity.

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I hope beating 4nl doesn't make me a worse player. On this hand all the ranging I did on the dude is out the window, and I made a bad read....lol

beating 4nl does not make you a worse player at all

Drunk so just posting fyi. We have initiative so we aren't donking flop. Range is not a verb. Hand is played fine. Don't post results, esp in title.

His actual hand is irrelevant here. I don't get why you put it in the title and show the results.

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Is my 3bet on flop too excessive?

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This is a good question to ask. You should be cutting the hand off at this point.

Range can be a verb.

It's hard to find a word in the English language that is not a homonym, with several grammatical uses.
:mischief:
Yersterday, I went to the shooting range with my friends. We shot 3 different pistols, with a range of calibers. My groupings were tight with the 9mm at close range, but pretty loose with the .44 at 15 yards.
At the beginning of our session at the rifle range, the instructor told us, "The targets are ranged at 50 yard intervals from 100 to 300 yards. Range each target and estimate windage before each shot."
Oh yeah, I have a gas range in my kitchen.

Beating micro-stakes does not make you a worse player, but it does make you use a limited "tool box" of moves. If you learn to beat the micros, and then think you are a 100% pro who has mastered the game, then you're clearly deluded. Of course there are a lot more skills to learn and use as you move up in the stakes, many of which are not very useful at the micros.

If you are successfully adjusting your game to beat your opponents, then you should be playing a ridiculously exploitable style at 4NL. The thing is that Villains at 4NL wont be adjusting to exploit you, so that's the correct strategy for you. At higher stakes, the Villains will not suck as bad and they will be adjusting to you more, so playing such an obviously exploitable style will not be winning anymore.

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Originally Posted by bjsaust

His actual hand is irrelevant here. I don't get why you put it in the title and show the results.



This is a good question to ask. You should be cutting the hand off at this point.

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yeah I got ya I had tried to submit post without a subject, so I just typed the hand in there......

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Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

Right, but should I be Jamming this flop? or maybe just tacking on smaller bets street to street?

how would you have played this one spider given the info on this fella...

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Well it's a super dry flop, so his raise doesn't really represent a wide range of value hands - unless he's raising as a bluff, he can only really have a strong queen or a set. The other possibility at these limits is what he had - a strongish draw that basically he should never raise here because he'll often get blown off his equity and have to fold, or as he actually did call all his money off as a big dog.

At these limits, a strong queen will do this then stack off, so unless I knew he'd only do this with a set I'm not folding, and if I'm not folding then assuming he does have a value hand that he thinks is good, all the money is going to go in by the river anyway.

I guess there aren't many turn cards that you mind, so maybe you just get the money in over multiple streets, but basically once he raises, unless it's a bluff then if he's calling a small reraise, he's also calling a big one, so I prefer just shoving over the flop raise, make him pay for his draw and it also stops him getting away from the hand on a later street.

3b a little bit bigger pre
cbet sizing is something that you can spend forever thinking about, vs someone you won't see again at 4nl your sizing is fine on this board. Getting it in vs the raise is also fine cos KQ/KK/QJ/45/JJ are all hands that you beat and they outnumber the rare sets and AA

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Range can be a verb.

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It shouldn't be in this context.

hand is played fine - maybe 0.30 pf and cbet ~ 0.50 - 0.55 then jam over top of his flop raise - but whatever