25nl 6m top two facing turn C/R

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05-31-2012, 03:46 AM
rpm

25nl 6m top two facing turn C/R

this one is probably standard but there has been no traffic here lately so i thought i'd post some hands up from my review. any poker discussion > no poker discussion imo.

so villain is R_o_B_B_e_r_t_o_W (without the _'s). he runs 27/20/5 with a 54% ATS over my 330ish sample. folds to 85% of cbets, and has donked 2/10 opportunities. notes say

- donk 88 on 643t HU from SB vs LP
- flats A8s+ and small pairs OSB vs steal

i'm 32/29ish over my last 10k hands and my stats at this table at the time of the hand indicate i would probably look pretty aggro on his hud.

pre isn't standard. BB is a 77/15 who i wanna play with. flop i raise because i have reads that he is donking a reasonably strong range and i suspect he will call a flop raise vs a perceived aggro reg with more of it than just the 5 combos which beat me. turn plan was to bet enough to setup a river shove yet little enough for him to feel "exploited" (or something) folding any AJ type hands. when he jams i need something like 28%. if he does this with like 3 combos of AJ or other hands i beat then i have to call. did i fuck up anywhere with my line or sizing? anyone play any street differently?

ps if the above is too much text for anyone's preference, let me know.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($28.99)
Hero (UTG) ($34.99)
MP ($25)
CO ($25.35)
Button ($32.84)
SB ($71.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9:diamond:, J:spade:
Hero bets $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3) 4:club:, 9:heart:, J:diamond: (3 players)
SB bets $1.71, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $3.29

Turn: ($13) 5:heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7.50, SB raises to $34.92, Hero calls $21.49 (All-In)

River: ($70.98) 6:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $70.98 | Rake: $2
05-31-2012, 04:05 AM
bikes

think it's overly optimistic to think he's jamming some kind of combo draw since the range you're repping is absurdly strong.
05-31-2012, 04:05 AM
bikes

and yes text is farr too long
05-31-2012, 04:09 AM
bikes

incase it wasn't clear this is a pretty easy fold
05-31-2012, 04:09 AM
rpm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikes

think it's overly optimistic to think he's jamming some kind of combo draw since the range you're repping is absurdly strong.

do you think he has AJ frequently enough here? how do you play it differently if at all?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikes

and yes text is farr too long

i thought that was the case. taken on board. thanks for commenting.
05-31-2012, 04:11 AM
bikes

he lead into a massive fish and the UTG PFR which removes a lot of bluffs from his range. when your raise the flop into this range your range is really strong so your range is weighted towards QQ+ or like air.

so if hes not braindead c/shoving AJ would be really terrible on his part
05-31-2012, 04:58 AM
rpm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikes

he lead into a massive fish and the UTG PFR which removes a lot of bluffs from his range. when your raise the flop into this range your range is really strong so your range is weighted towards QQ+ or like air.

so if hes not braindead c/shoving AJ would be really terrible on his part

@bolded, i think not taking this into account was the biggest gap in my thought process in this hand. thanks for pointing that out.

edit: so the flop raise is too thin? as played B/F or check back Tu?
05-31-2012, 05:14 AM
bikes

i would raise the flop and b/f the turn
05-31-2012, 10:57 AM
MadMojoMonkey

I fold J9o from UTG pre-flop. It's an OS1G, with OK flop potential. I'd play it from later positions, if the pre-flop action wasn't too aggro.

After that, I play it the same. Villains running 77/15 overvalue TPTK and tend to raise/shove overpairs on the flop.

@bikes: What range do you put Villain on when you bet/fold the turn?
05-31-2012, 11:05 AM
OngBonga

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

@bikes: What range do you put Villain on when you bet/fold the turn?

lol. I'll take a punt at 44 99 JJ.
05-31-2012, 03:24 PM
tiltingdonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I fold J9o from UTG pre-flop. It's an OS1G, with OK flop potential. I'd play it from later positions, if the pre-flop action wasn't too aggro.

After that, I play it the same. Villains running 77/15 overvalue TPTK and tend to raise/shove overpairs on the flop.

@bikes: What range do you put Villain on when you bet/fold the turn?

Villain's 27/20.
05-31-2012, 05:45 PM
MadMojoMonkey

Oops. I looked at the wrong stats.
05-31-2012, 08:24 PM
Hoopy

Even though I get we want to play pots with the fish J9o UTG seems bad, too many players to get through. We have position vs the fish most of the time so I'd just fold pre.
05-31-2012, 08:36 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopy

We have position vs the fish most of the time so I'd just fold pre.

do you know what this sounds like
05-31-2012, 09:00 PM
Icanhastreebet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopy

We have position vs the fish most of the time so I'd just fold pre.

??? This is a cash game. We take ANY +eV opportunity we can get. It's not like we gain edge by making close folds etc.
06-01-2012, 12:50 AM
daven

pre is fine, flop looks good, turn is close but J9/KK+/JJ/99/44/QThh/8Thh
06-01-2012, 02:32 AM
Razvan729

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

do you know what this sounds like

sounds like something i would post :)
06-01-2012, 02:38 AM
rpm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razvan729

sounds like something i would post :)

;)
06-01-2012, 05:24 AM
Hoopy

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

do you know what this sounds like

:p

Brain fail, I blame exams.

I'm just struggling to see why this open is +EV.
06-01-2012, 10:41 AM
Icanhastreebet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopy

:p

Brain fail, I blame exams.

I'm just struggling to see why this open is +EV.

Because the BB is playing over 80% of hands in the BB probably?
06-01-2012, 11:18 AM
MadMojoMonkey

Even if this is true, the BB is not the only opponent at this table, and BB has yet to act. This is the only position where Hero acts before BB pre-flop. I am not convinced that "opening light" is +EV here.
06-01-2012, 09:16 PM
rpm

i don't know how anyone can comment on how good or bad preflop is without knowing who else is sitting at the table. fwiw, i'd open this all day unless i had one or two serial 3bettors between me and the button.
06-01-2012, 10:10 PM
Imthenewfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpm

i don't know how anyone can comment on how good or bad preflop is without knowing who else is sitting at the table. fwiw, i'd open this all day unless i had one or two serial 3bettors between me and the button.

i think a lot of people can infer that there isn't anyone aggressive behind you because you did open. given that and the whale you mentioned in the op pre looks good