line check on turn nad river

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (6 handed) - Cake Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($6.34)
Hero (CO) ($5.02)
Button ($3.86)
SB ($3.53)
BB ($1.41)
UTG ($0.99)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.16, 1 fold, SB raises $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.68) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.48) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.48) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero???

line check..should i be betting this turn? and shoving river?

villian is 26/20 over 126 hands 3bet is 9% no specific reads

4bet or fold pre imo.

i'd open 3bbpre

preflop is a call, you cant fold to that dumb 3bet.

bet flop is ok and i am bet/decide turn always.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

4bet or fold pre imo.

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did you see the size of the 3b and hero's hand?

I am betting the flop and turn.... but why you jamming river?? if dude calls the turn bet the pot will be so big he ain't folding the river.

Am I missing something.. what is your reasoning for a river shove?

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Originally Posted by d0zer

did you see the size of the 3b and hero's hand?

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I saw that he 3bets 9% and like to 4bet this spot as a bluff tbh, he folds a lot imo. I don't like calling 3bets with QJ, we're dominated a lot of the time.

I understand 4betting as a bluff here but given his size I really dont want to have to fold to a shove I think playing a sizeable pot IP is better imo.

I opened 4x because the BB is a loose fish and I want to play a pot IP against him. His stats were like 40/3 over 100 hands. so my line of thinking was SB made the smallish 3b to fold out the fish who wasnt playing too many reraised pots only single raise.

I was playing a few tables so I didnt think it through all the way but betting about 0.75 on turn would leave villian with 2.10 or so and the pot would be roughly 3. When he checks river and I shove his calling range has been narrowed to basically thr nuts regardless of river and theres only so many nut hands that he can have given his flop flat and turn check.

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Originally Posted by acg123

I was playing a few tables so I didnt think it through all the way but betting about 0.75 on turn would leave villian with 2.10 or so and the pot would be roughly 3. When he checks river and I shove his calling range has been narrowed to basically thr nuts regardless of river and theres only so many nut hands that he can have given his flop flat and turn check.

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I don't like this play but I am a nit your reasoning sounds good though...maybe someone who knows more than me will say whether or not this is a good spot to bluff

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Originally Posted by gotigers1234

I don't like this play but I am a nit your reasoning sounds good though...maybe someone who knows more than me will say whether or not this is a good spot to bluff

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i think i left out the part that he is decent player and probably could laydown a mediocre hand. hes not a calling station and by his stats you can see hes fairly tight aggro. His betsizing preflop is odd, i assumed it was due to the fish in the BB. i wouldnt play this hand the same if it was the fish in the BB instead of the SB. He probably puts me on a range of hands and when i take this line my range becomes nuts or air and it will be really difficult for villian to make a easy call on the river. if im wrong tell me so i wont take lines like this but i think this is the best play in this spot.

this is not a bluffing hand, we bet flop/turn because we have great equity vs his range.

if on turn we give him just 77,KK,AA,A7s,A6s,AK which is the top of his range we still have 25% vs that on turn, so if he goes c/c and we check back or fold to a bet blank rivers, our play would be at worst 0EV, but that range can not fold to a bet when we hit so the play is +EV w/o any need to bluff river when we miss.

but his range is not just 2pair+, his flop c/c range includes weak Axs, TT-QQ,Kxs and a lot of these would c/f to a 2nd barrell which makes our turn bet even more +EV, even if he c/c all his range our bet is still +EV due to the equity we have.

i havent done the math for a CRAI, but on simple look to stacks and pot, if we go b/c AI turn, we are still worst case 0EV w/FE we have on his Axs,Kxs,TT-QQ which will almost never CRAI turn.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I saw that he 3bets 9% and like to 4bet this spot as a bluff tbh, he folds a lot imo. I don't like calling 3bets with QJ, we're dominated a lot of the time.

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we're not looking to go to the felt on J42r or whatever. our hand flops incredibly well, we have position and his 3bet was far too small. this is a pretty clear call imo. 4bet bluffing may or may not have its merits but this hand is probably one of the best to include in our calling range IP vs a 3bet.

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Originally Posted by rpm

we're not looking to go to the felt on J42r or whatever. our hand flops incredibly well, we have position and his 3bet was far too small. this is a pretty clear call imo. 4bet bluffing may or may not have its merits but this hand is probably one of the best to include in our calling range IP vs a 3bet.

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This, calling is infinitely better than folding and much better than 4-betting, I don't understand at all how you can think otherwise. And no we don't have to go broke with top pair but we aren't necessarily folding a bunch of dry flops either.

If you are not 2-3barreling with this hand you should be checking back flop.

Pretty sure I'd be firing 3 once villain checks this flop.