where did I fuck up.

3 bettor is 12/10 over 90 3 bet is 4
no reads at all. c bet 100% flops and turns.

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($12.52)
kick (UTG+1) ($10.25)
MP1 ($10.81)
MP2 ($4.32)
MP3 ($10.15)
CO ($8.85)
BTN ($10)
SB ($10.02)
BB ($4.54)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) kick is UTG+1 :qd: :ad:
1 fold, kick raises to $0.30, MP1 calls $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.90, 2 folds, kick calls $0.60, MP1 calls $0.60, MP2 folds

Flop: :5s: :jh: :qh: ($3.15, 3 players)
kick checks, MP1 checks, BTN bets $2.25, kick calls $2.25, MP1 folds

Turn: :6c: ($7.65, 2 players)
kick checks, BTN goes all-in $6.85, kick folds

Final Pot: $7.65

BTN wins $14.16 (net +$4.16)

kick lost $3.15
MP1 lost $0.90
MP2 lost $0.30

i'd fold pre as played i don't understand why u call pre oop vs a guy u have no real significant 3 bet stats on.
he's been tight, then u flop a queen and u won't stack off.
don't really understand what u were hoping for.
smells like brainspazz.

also given the positions i don't think u can assume he was 3betting light pre. Especially not vs a 12/10 over 90 hands

I think u kind of leveled yourself into thinking he was doing it light cuz he had the BTN in this hand. 10 nl pokerstars 12/10 you open in EP , it's no bluff mate :rolleyes:

horrible relative position postflop, bad hand v his 3bing range probably. you shoulda just chucked em pre son

Raise pre is fine but fold to his 3bet, esp when you are oop. The worst hand he is probably 3betting is AQ

fold pre vs the 3b, it won't be costing you money at 10nl

ffs kickass muck your hand preflop ;)

Since you called pre, bet-fold the flop.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Since you called pre, bet-fold the flop.

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Def agree with this. But yeah man, let it go.

Suited this is an auto-call pre-flop.

Post-flop this really depends. I would probably check-raise all-in if he's c-betting here a very high % of the time.

For the line you took to be profitable, you need to be confident that he's betting the flop with worse hands and usually checking them behind on the turn.

Went back over the hand after reading Fnords post. Btn 3bet is small enough that we're getting expressed odds to call even before MP1 calls. So yeah, I get auto call. Question is are we mostly folding this flop if we aren't c/ring?

What are we doing if we flop xxdd?

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Originally Posted by supa

Question is are we mostly folding this flop if we aren't c/ring?

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What's his 3-bet range? Is he c-betting AK/TT/air sorts of things here?

But yeah, that would be my default plan. If I think he's out of line or bet/folding too much I would c/r all-in on some boards with a single diamond and ideally no paint.

Against a flat out maniac, I'm going with the hand unimproved a lot (and calling a lot of worse hands pre-flop....)

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Originally Posted by supa

What are we doing if we flop xxdd?

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Get lots of money in, preferably on the flop.