meh AK on the button; what you finks?

villain is 25/20 over 20

he saw me show down J8o the first time I stole for second pair, he won with 99 this is my second attempt.

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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9 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($10.25)
UTG+1 ($25.99)
MP1 ($7.30)
MP2 ($25)
MP3 ($28.31)
CO ($35.89)
kick (BTN) ($26.10)
SB ($11.21)
BB ($67.95)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) kick is BTN :ad: :kc:
6 folds, kick raises to $0.62, 1 fold, BB calls $0.37

Flop: :9s: :th: :ah: ($1.34, 2 players)
BB checks, kick bets $1, BB raises to $3, kick calls $2

Turn: :3h: ($7.34, 2 players)
BB bets $4.75, kick calls $4.75

River: :8h: ($16.84, 2 players)
BB bets $8.01, kick folds

Final Pot: $24.85

BB wins $24.03 (net +$7.65)

kick lost $8.37

meh

I think it's fine

Call me a bitch, but I'm folding the turn.

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Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

Call me a bitch, but I'm folding the turn.

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Bitch.

But yeah, I there isn't much we're beating on this turn.

I'm not folding this turn after the J8 vs 99 hand, this villain probably has us on a very wide range and is betting his air as well as his made hands. I think villain is really wide here. Obv I'm folding river.

Still folding turn.

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Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

Still folding turn.

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flop is really close but turn seems like def fold
edit looked at his sizing again and seems like flop call turn fold

with the Ah on the board I thought it made it alot harder for him to have hearts, this is about the range I gave him, I felt he prolly puts me on the draw more than I should put him on it given the positions.
TT-99,AQs-A9s,KhQh,KJs-KTs,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,AQo-AJo,QJo
vs this range Im still doing fine on the turn. if hes raising the flop with a draw he's gotta barrel this card if he's raising it with an A he's not chking back, if I was just gonna give up when any draw completes I should prolly fold the flop given all the draws out there.
these are only my thoughts im not being defensive correct me where needed.

I think that's an optimistic range you've given him.

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Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

Call me a bitch, but I'm folding the turn.

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Not a bitch.

Fold turn.

:3

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Originally Posted by Huey_Freeman

I think that's an optimistic range you've given him.

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I love how every single post you ever make is helpful and insightful. :clap:

I really don't think you played the hand badly. You can't call flop and fold turn when he barrels his entire range. I don't see why AQ, AJ can't play this way (flop and turn), and the FDs are less likely with the Ah out already.

The only way calling flop and folding turn is right is if we have most of his range as flush draws, sets and 2 pair on the flop. But with Ah out, how can so much of his range be draws to make it worth the call on the flop? Like I said, he's barreling his range after the flop almost always, so what turns are you hoping for by calling?

In reality a lot of his range has to contain worse Aces as well as some (but not many) Fds, sets and 2 pair. That makes the flop call fine and hence the turn call IMO

fold the turn you beat absolute nothing but air

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Originally Posted by gingerwizard

I love how every single post you ever make is helpful and insightful. :clap:

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Inorite?

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Originally Posted by bikes

fold the turn you beat absolute nothing but air

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I agree with this, except I call turn because I think he has so much air. Obv I could be very wrong and spewing, but I'm influenced by previous hands between hero and villain. Seems to me he's playing the hero, rather than his cards. This is hero call territory for me, if I call turn I'm calling all non heart rivers. I expect to see KQhh KJhh QJhh QJh sets and aces up pretty often here, but also I expect to see lots of crap, I wouldn't be massively surprised to see 74o. I guess I'm just talking myself into a hero call, with no history it's an easy fold on the turn really. This could be why I suck at 25nl... maybe I make too many assumptions that people are trying to push me around.

leveling yourself into thinking everyone is fucking with you because you showed down 1 bad hand in a 20 hand sample is a easy way to get crushed really quick

OK so is an FD a big part of his range and if not should we just fold the flop?

I fold turn like a bitch.

lol at anyone mentioning the J8o showdown at all. do people really exist who are surprised when you open J8o on the button?