Can you check raise for value on this river card?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($2.06)
Hero (SB) ($2.99)
Villain (BB) ($2.03)
UTG ($2.50)
MP ($2.36)
CO ($2.03)

Preflop: Hero is SB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/qc.gif
4 folds, Hero bets $0.08, Villain calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.16) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/4d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/2s.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, Villain calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.40) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/9s.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, Villain calls $0.26

River: ($0.92) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/8s.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $0.68, Hero raises to $2.53 (All-In), Villain calls $0.89 (All-In)

Total pot: $4.06 | Rake: $0.20

you prolly can vs some villains but there is prolly always a better line. Id bet bigger on the turn and either bet/fold the river or bet/call depending on villains tendencies maybe chk call if he's likely to bet worse than KQ on the river but wouldnt call a bet. all villain dependent but prolly just bet bet bet prolly

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Pre-flop nice value raise. Flop fine, turn fine, river check OK but a bet is also good.

Why are we checking the river? Well we have a nice TPGK, but he has called two streets. What can he have? Well, being SB vs BB gives him a nice wide range and the flop call only narrows it some. The turn says he definitely has a piece. So, what could the piece be?

Well 44, 22, JJ, TT, 99, 88, Kx, A9, some double spade A's that floated the flop and potentially (but unlikely), some QJss type hands.

This may not be the perfect range for villain but lets go with it.

If we check what does he bet?
Certainly flushes, probably sets (but not everytime),
Some Kx and 1 pair hands we beat but maybe as a bluff (more likely he checks these behind). Can't think of any total bluffs in this range.

If we bet what does he call with?
Well, he probably raises the flushes, (definitely the A high ones), he may raise but will certainly call the sets. He may also call the Kx hands, even A9, and the pairs above 9s. Of these you beat all but AK. He certainly calls some of them.

What I'm trying to illustrate is that few hands you beat are betting the river when checked to, but there are probably enough to make a call with these pot odds OK. I think the check raise is not good as it simply gives a worse price on the pot.

Betting the river seems much better. It seems like the best way to get value out of all of those worse hands we beat without letting them check behind

classic line taken

b/f river imo

with the stack size left, yes. But its not a good line because he may check behind other mid pairs and a lot of weaker hands that will call for value.

bet more on turn, bet river

Thanks for the feedback guys.

So checking isn't the best line here as villain will check behind hands you beat and mostly only bet hands that beat you. Therefore losing out on value.

Can you ever give villain credit for a backdoor flush here? I always find it hard to believe someone would call on the hope of hitting a backdoor flushdraw.

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Originally Posted by seven-deuce

Thanks for the feedback guys.

So checking isn't the best line here as villain will check behind hands you beat and mostly only bet hands that beat you. Therefore losing out on value.

Can you ever give villain credit for a backdoor flush here? I always find it hard to believe someone would call on the hope of hitting a backdoor flushdraw.

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Any spade draw which includes the :ks: will clearly call you down all day long. Otherwise, Asxs might call the flop and then carry on to the river because of the draw.

That makes sense thanks.

I'd put almost no spade draws in his range.

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Originally Posted by supa

I'd put almost no spade draws in his range.

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kQ, JK, KT of spades is about it I suppose.

check-shove is pretty thin for value here
as played you sorta have to call the river after you check getting close to 3:1 and with no reads