600nl - our donking ranges 3way wit reg+fish?

I usually play FR, but this hand is 6m

UTG is a known reg: 25/20, 3b 9.3%, cb 80% over only 130hands
SB is a fish : 37/11

I think i usually c/c in these spots, but it ends up icky a lot. On this board i think he'll cb a lot with his Ax hands, so we prob get more value from a c/c, but i feel i end up foldin on later streets a lot.

Thoughts on leading flop? What range should we be leading here, and what range should we c/c?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $6(BB) Replayer
SB ($297)
Hero ($600)
UTG ($675)
UTG+1 ($854)
CO ($1,206)
BTN ($664)

Dealt to Hero 9:diamond: 9:club:

UTG raises to $21, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $18, Hero calls $15

FLOP ($63) 2:heart: 4:club: 5:diamond:

SB checks, Hero bets $48, UTG calls $48, SB calls $48

TURN ($207) 2:heart: 4:club: 5:diamond: Q:spade:

SB checks, Hero ?

I like donking here because it helps to define our hand more effectively. c/c Is something I prefer to do with stronger pairs, actually.

rr/fold vs utg to isolate fish

postflop is fine if you c/f the turn

i probably donk 100% of my range that isn't c/fing. Any pair, the best suited broadways that have bdfd and didn't rr pre (basically QJ/QT), big hands.

Fish isolation is enough to make leading the dominant play here with almost any type of hand.

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Originally Posted by Renton

i probably donk 100% of my range that isn't c/fing. Any pair, the best suited broadways that have bdfd and didn't rr pre (basically QJ/QT), big hands.

Fish isolation is enough to make leading the dominant play here with almost any type of hand.

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I'm confused here.

How do we have Qx and why do we think we can isolate the fish with a turn bet?

i was referring to the flop line, turn is a c/f as played with 99

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I like donking here because it helps to define our hand more effectively. c/c Is something I prefer to do with stronger pairs, actually.

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Yeah i tihnk i like a lead here. Assuming you like a c/c with stronger pairs because he'll bet a few times on these boards with Ax etc? (which makes c/c medium ones worse)

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Originally Posted by Renton

i probably donk 100% of my range that isn't c/fing. Any pair, the best suited broadways that have bdfd and didn't rr pre (basically QJ/QT), big hands.

Fish isolation is enough to make leading the dominant play here with almost any type of hand.

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Interesting, i think i donk only a small % in spots where i think the preflop aggressor will cbet. Guess here he might not because its multiway - are you assuming his cbet % will be quite low?

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Originally Posted by wakeup

Interesting, i think i donk only a small % in spots where i think the preflop aggressor will cbet. Guess here he might not because its multiway - are you assuming his cbet % will be quite low?

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Well, villain only cbets hands that play extremely well against our hand IP (the bottom of his cbetting range has 38% equity against us). Leading out gets him to fold his GSSD+overcard type hands, so now we have the effective button in a HU pot gets a fish.

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Originally Posted by Renton

rr/fold vs utg to isolate fish

postflop is fine if you c/f the turn

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1) I'd probably just rr/shove since it's marginally -EV in a vacuum. Like the idea of rring to iso fish though.

I'd probably just bet the turn again, seems better than checking.

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Originally Posted by Numbr2intheWorld

seems better than checking.

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why?