3 bet AQo hit TPTK get chk raised

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($6.40)
UTG+1 ($11.76)
MP ($4.31)
CO ($22.23)
kickass (BTN) ($10)
SB ($9.45)
BB ($12.83)

Pre-Flop: ($0.25, 7 players) kickass is BTN :ac: :qd:
[UTG posts $0.10]
UTG checks, 2 folds, CO raises to $0.40, kickass raises to $1.10, 2 folds, UTG folds, CO calls $0.70

Flop: :5s: :qh: :ts: ($2.45, 2 players)
CO checks, kickass bets $1.70, CO raises to $3.50, $1.8 to kickass ($7.2)?


so reads on villain and reasons for re iso villain is 20/18 over 50ish
villain got his stack by cold 4 betting QQ and getting it in vs AA/KK and sucking out. so I thought I could get away pretty easy and thought he likely doesnt have a hand and is isolating fish limp. meh? we calling getting it in on turn?

call, stack turn.

You know villain's fold-to-3bet stat and how often he raises flop cbets? Guess sample isn't big enough. Think I'm folding to flop raise here, unless ft3b% is low. If I'm calling flop, I'm willing to stack off on most turns.

Assign him a preflop 3bet calling range then go from there - which hands flat your 3bet pre?

This looks like a pretty clear fold to me, unless you have some more info on villain?

if you're folding to the flop raise, then his range is probably too tight to be 3betting in the first place and we should just call preflop (which has the additional benefit of keeping posting fish in).

If you're not confident with TPTK in this spot, don't 3bet pre. I think the 3b is fine, on the assumption that a 20/18 (even over only 50) has a wider 3b calling range than most guys with reg looking stats. Your image is really important here tho, if you have a nitty image then 3betting pre may not be the best as it'll tighten up iso'ers continuing range.

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Originally Posted by d0zer

If you're not confident with TPTK in this spot, don't 3bet pre.

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This.

Seems like some people are just mashing the 3bet button and hoping to hit "zomg toppest pair!"

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Originally Posted by EasyPoker

This.

Seems like some people are just mashing the 3bet button and hoping to hit "zomg toppest pair!"

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...yeah and then people want to fold it once they hit :?

I dont call AQ and I dont usually 3 bet it. It seemed like a good spot with reads on villain, I called stacked turn happily expected to see AQ KQ JQ JJ TT Axs and I didnt so I thought Id ask what the fuck I shoulda done and if this was a likely range.
my stats are prolly pretty nitty 13/10 ish I think I dont know what I was running over that 50 sample, I also dont 3 bet often.

Villain's r/c range pre is wider than his flop c/r range. If AQ is ahead of what we consider his pre r/c range, but behing his c/r range on this flop, then I don't see what's wrong with 3betting pre then b/f flop. I'd be curious to know what ranges for each street are realistic.

Pre I think he can be pretty wide, like 22-QQ AJ+ most Axs 78s+ some 2 gappers and most suited broadways, some unsuited.
Flop he's narrowed his range hugely, he's now got KQ+, 55, TT, QQ, QTs, KJspades, maybe KJo, flush draws, and maybe QJs

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

53,460 games 0.005 secs 10,692,000 games/sec

Board: 5s Ts Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.057% 45.25% 00.80% 24193 429.00 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 53.943% 53.14% 00.80% 28409 429.00 { QQ+, TT, 55, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, As9s, As8s, As7s, KJs+, Ks9s, QTs+, Qs9s, Js9s, 9s8s, 8s7s, KJo+ }


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We're just about good to stack against this flop c/r range, but it's close, and my range assigning isn't the best. Am I too wide or too narrow?

call, stack non-spade turn.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Villain's r/c range pre is wider than his flop c/r range. If AQ is ahead of what we consider his pre r/c range, but behing his c/r range on this flop, then I don't see what's wrong with 3betting pre then b/f flop. I'd be curious to know what ranges for each street are realistic.

Pre I think he can be pretty wide, like 22-QQ AJ+ most Axs 78s+ some 2 gappers and most suited broadways, some unsuited.
Flop he's narrowed his range hugely, he's now got KQ+, 55, TT, QQ, QTs, KJspades, maybe KJo, flush draws, and maybe QJs

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

53,460 games 0.005 secs 10,692,000 games/sec

Board: 5s Ts Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.057% 45.25% 00.80% 24193 429.00 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 53.943% 53.14% 00.80% 28409 429.00 { QQ+, TT, 55, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, As9s, As8s, As7s, KJs+, Ks9s, QTs+, Qs9s, Js9s, 9s8s, 8s7s, KJo+ }


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We're just about good to stack against this flop c/r range, but it's close, and my range assigning isn't the best. Am I too wide or too narrow?

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Personally I think your range is too narrow. If he's got 55 then he's got 55+ which I see shit like 66 getting turned into bluffs plenty at this stake, esp in 3bet pots where they feel committed. So I think there are atleast a few combos of bluffs in there.

Vs the range you,ve given him range we're way better than 'just about good' tho. If we call the flop and stack the turn we're getting 36% pot odds (math check?) unless we turn a spade or K.

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Originally Posted by d0zer

call, stack turn.

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Insightful, I agree call flop stack non-spade turn is better than folding.

all in

Can someone explain why calling with the intention of stacking turn would be better than just shipping? (I honestly don't know btw)

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Originally Posted by PKKFW

Can someone explain why calling with the intention of stacking turn would be better than just shipping? (I honestly don't know btw)

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This came up in another thread where I suggested jamming QQ on the flop in a 3bet pot, and it seems that jamming might cause villain to fold out anything he's prepared to barrel with...or something like that.

I'm really getting into keeping people's betting ranges as wide as possible.

What is he gonna call the flop with that we beat?
What is he gonna bet the turn with that we beat?

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Originally Posted by EasyPoker

This came up in another thread where I suggested jamming QQ on the flop in a 3bet pot, and it seems that jamming might cause villain to fold out anything he's prepared to barrel with...or something like that.

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Originally Posted by supa

What is he gonna call the flop with that we beat?
What is he gonna bet the turn with that we beat?

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Ok, I see it now and it makes sense.

Still think I prefer shipping the flop while our equity is likely at it's best. That could be a big leak in my game though.

This is 10nl nitring.

TPTK is very rarely the best hand when you go AI on the flop.