ez game? 25nl super standard? fold pre?

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12-20-2011, 05:18 AM
daven

sets/paid/ez game? 25nl super standard? fold pre?

shortstack is decent by the standards of the stake
loose passive calling types in lp and the blinds

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
9 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($43.90)
UTG+1 ($24.39)
MP1 ($10)
hero (MP2) ($28.42)
MP3 ($29.27)
CO ($38.15)
BTN ($25)
SB ($42.35)
BB ($34.32)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) hero is MP2 :jd: :jc:
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.75, hero calls $0.75, MP3 calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: :td: :2c: :js: ($4, 5 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, hero bets $3.50, MP3 calls $3.50, 1 fold, SB folds, MP1 folds

Turn: :qs: ($11, 2 players)
hero bets $8.40, MP3 calls $8.40

River: :qc: ($27.80, 2 players)
hero goes all-in $15.77,
12-20-2011, 05:42 AM
Roid_Rage

I don't understand the question.
12-20-2011, 05:47 AM
OngBonga

Nor do I. Why would we consider folding this pre? We have clear set mining odds. Hand is played fine imo, nh.
12-20-2011, 05:53 AM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

I don't understand the question.

curious on thoughts all streets
shortie isn't terrible so we don't have clear set mining odds
12-20-2011, 06:07 AM
OngBonga

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

curious on thoughts all streets
shortie isn't terrible so we don't have clear set mining odds

We're getting nearly 14:1, do we need that much in position with jacks? He's short, so is almost always gonna find himself pot committed very quickly with overpairs, and his AK is oop and hates two in three flops. Never folding this pre in this spot, would probably fold to a squeeze though, depends on who squeezes I guess.
12-20-2011, 06:22 AM
gingerwizard

Preflop a call is fine IMO with loose calling types behind and 14-1 implied odds on short stack. You then proceed to get your whole stack in with a set and river a boat.

Is this a level?
12-20-2011, 06:29 AM
Hoopy

The only question here is if 3bet/get it with JJ vs the short stack is better than having a possible 3/4/5 way pot with fish.

I think calling is better, nh daven.
12-20-2011, 06:33 AM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by gingerwizard

Preflop a call is fine IMO with loose calling types behind and 14-1 implied odds on short stack. You then proceed to get your whole stack in with a set and river a boat.

Is this a level?

no level, genuinely curious. I marked it for review during the session and thought about it a while. Mostly pre obviously, but all streets have thinking. Maybe i think too much. Sizing too?
12-20-2011, 07:06 AM
OngBonga

Sizing is pretty much perfect, the river shove is the right size to get called by the vast majority of hands that called flop and turn.
12-20-2011, 05:36 PM
rpm

unless i'm missing something, this hand seems incredibly standard
12-21-2011, 02:31 AM
baudib

I think you can 3-bet pre and try to get it in here for 40 BBs, pro shortstackers don't play like 2/2 or something. Calling is OK too? Hand looks totally fine/standard?
12-21-2011, 04:41 AM
EasyPoker

I'd rather have 20:1 for set mining odds.
12-21-2011, 05:46 AM
kickass

Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyPoker

I'd rather have 20:1 for set mining odds.

are we only mining? i thought we were playing poker we have more ways to win than binking a set vs shorty
12-21-2011, 07:12 AM
EasyPoker

What was your plan to win if you didn't hit the jackpot on the flop?
12-21-2011, 08:32 AM
Micro2Macro

Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyPoker

What was your plan to win if you didn't hit the jackpot on the flop?

play poker

since when is jacks just a hand we set mine people?