Is there a better play here?

BB is 29/9 over 70 & BTN is 19/17 over 1.9K

The best read I had on the BB is that I'd seen him call an overbet/shove with QQ a few orbits ago. BTN seems pretty decent, but likes to 4bet light so I'm thinking he's got AJ+, broadways and JJ+ (is that too wide). HM poppup indicates a 16.4 4bet range (not really sure what that means)

I'm mostly concerned about bet sizing.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG ($4.15)
UTG+1 ($3.94)
MP1 ($3.14)
MP2 ($1.58)
CO ($4.51)
Button ($2.90)
Hero (SB) ($4)
BB ($3.83)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
5 folds, Button bets $0.11, Hero raises $0.27, BB calls $0.25, Button raises $0.61, Hero raises $3.71 (All-In), BB raises $3.54 (All-In), Button calls $2.18 (All-In)

4bet range = pfr * 4bet % (just found this out myself)

Given that info: 16.4/.17 (4bet/pfr) = 96.47% meaning that he 4bets 96% of the time he's faced with a 3bet. So yeah, he's 4betting pretty friggin light.

Hand is played fine imo. 3bet could be bigger but that's nitpicking. Once were 5betting we might as well be shoving. Can't see any reason to flat his 4bet mostly because it's 4nl and we're getting called a lot here.

Your objective to get the money in pre was achieved.

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Originally Posted by supa

Hand is played fine imo. 3bet could be bigger but that's nitpicking. Once were 5betting we might as well be shoving. Can't see any reason to flat his 4bet mostly because it's 4nl and we're getting called a lot here.

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I dont think its nit picking to size a whole lot better than this. 3 bet size is way to small 5 bet shove is huge you force him to have a hand.

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Originally Posted by kickass

I dont think its nit picking to size a whole lot better than this. 3 bet size is way to small 5 bet shove is huge you force him to have a hand.

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I thought this initially, but then I considered villain's tiny stack.

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Originally Posted by kickass

I dont think its nit picking to size a whole lot better than this. 3 bet size is way to small 5 bet shove is huge you force him to have a hand.

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I don't think his 3bet sizing is that small considering bu vs blinds. What size 5bet would you recommend that doesn't have everybody committed anyway?

3b size should be bigger oop not smaller, what benefit is there to 3betting smaller? yr right about the 5 bet; pot is like 1.15 button has 2.18. yeah obviously fine. BB can come along or not whatever, if he'd come along for 2.20 he'll prolly come along for a shove.

Does a larger 3bet magically put us in position? If our goal here is to make both villains fold because we're scared of playing KK oop then yeah, might as well just 3bet ship. If our goal is to iso the pfr but still keep him in the pot then I think a smaller 3bet is fine in this spot.

how does the BB raise 3.54 allin with a smaller starting stack after hero has already shoved?. converter problem or manually adjusted hand history

converter problem

bigger 3bet size creates a bigger pot with smaller stacks making a 1 pair hand a whole lot closer to the nuts stopping us getting out played when we have a positional disadvantage.

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Originally Posted by kickass

3b size should be bigger oop not smaller, what benefit is there to 3betting smaller? yr right about the 5 bet; pot is like 1.15 button has 2.18. yeah obviously fine. BB can come along or not whatever, if he'd come along for 2.20 he'll prolly come along for a shove.

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Was my thinking wrong in that I chose that 3bet sizing to keep both players in the pot but try to eliminate some of the BS holdings that they could have?

What would have been a better size?

Kickass makes a good point but I think there's more value in keeping at least bu in the pot so. I'm not really concerned about getting out played here and am willing to get KK in vs most 4nl villains on most flops.