KK vs whale explosive action flop after he L/C ISO

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11-01-2011, 10:26 PM
TheLongGrind

KK vs whale explosive action flop after he L/C ISO

villain is a superwhale. 58/9 pretty passive but prone to donkbet alot after limp/calling pre , I used the HEM tool to give him a range here. I'll summarize it and it would be nice if you guys could tell me whether i'm being too optimistic or not.
44-TT
(i'll assume he is raising JJ+ wouldn't b schocked if he isn't cuz phill hellmuth is awsome.)
A8s - 98s|A7s-87s
96s-67s|95s-65s|94s-64s|43s
98o,87o,76o,65o,54o,43o
97o,86o,75o,64o
against this range i'm 54%
thanks alot.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP2) ($5.12)
CO ($5.56)
Button ($4.81)
SB ($7.85)
BB ($4.74)
UTG ($6.58)
UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($5.57)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.25, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.57) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $0.41, Hero raises $1.60, UTG raises $4.94, Hero ??
11-02-2011, 01:27 AM
Razvan729

it's a fold this time.
11-02-2011, 08:23 AM
TheLongGrind

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razvan729

it's a fold this time.

Would you think the same vs the same opponent type on this board?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($4.98)
Hero (Button) ($5)
SB ($6.13)
BB ($5.18)
UTG ($5.49)
UTG+1 ($3.67)
MP1 ($10.24)
MP2 ($4.53)
MP3 ($4.84)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.97) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $0.95, hero?
11-02-2011, 12:38 PM
Shotglass

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLongGrind

58/9 pretty passive

Flop: UTG bets $0.41, Hero raises $1.60, UTG raises $4.94, Hero ??

Hmm, that looks like a warning :hmm:
11-02-2011, 01:02 PM
d0zer

meh I'm not folding vs a 58/9 who donk/3bets, especially after we raise.

Longgrind, those two boards are very different.
11-02-2011, 01:04 PM
caddie444

H1: raise/folding flop is awful
H2: getting it in always vs this guy
11-02-2011, 03:02 PM
TheLongGrind

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

meh I'm not folding vs a 58/9 who donk/3bets, especially after we raise.

Longgrind, those two boards are very different.

1) so ur not folding the kings?
2) I understand that it's a different story with AA on the K64 flop
, alot harder to flop a 2 pair type hand imo.
3) I nearly folded the KK hand after my reraise but figured flatting his donkbet would be pretty disgusting on that flop and i could charge for obvious draws , when he chips it was blaarrrgh fgngnsgqdf but figured i still had 27% equity if he showed some lucious 2 pair , obviously sets would have f me over. it's pretty hard to claim that he is not shipping pair + oesd hands or worse , i honestly don't know i assume or like to think he would . I don't really now how else to play it in this situation vs this player type vs his range on that flop.
11-02-2011, 03:11 PM
TheLongGrind

Quote:

Originally Posted by caddie444

H1: raise/folding flop is awful
H2: getting it in always vs this guy

So would a call call .fold river line make sense here. I think i might call rivers giving me 2 pairs. I also think he might check rivers when his hand runs into bad turns rivers.
11-02-2011, 03:17 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLongGrind

So would a call call .fold river line make sense here. I think i might call rivers giving me 2 pairs. I also think he might check rivers when his hand runs into bad turns rivers.

overpairs are the nuts vs guys like this, why would you want to fold all rivers? Also raise flop in h2, he's only folding his air (which he doesn't have very often), never draws or top pair. just try to get the money in now.

A 50/9 generally isn't that passive and is much more prone to random spazzouts and overvaluing top pair / weak overpairs than any other player type.
11-02-2011, 04:24 PM
TheLongGrind

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

overpairs are the nuts vs guys like this, why would you want to fold all rivers? Also raise flop in h2, he's only folding his air (which he doesn't have very often), never draws or top pair. just try to get the money in now.

A 50/9 generally isn't that passive and is much more prone to random spazzouts and overvaluing top pair / weak overpairs than any other player type.

wouldn't be folding like any cards not completing obvious straights. thnx for the advice , oh btw i did get it in with aces on the flop
11-02-2011, 05:34 PM
Hoopy

Don't raise/fold vs someone this bad.
11-02-2011, 10:07 PM
TheLongGrind

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Don't raise/fold vs someone this bad.

don't worry i didn't:p

thnx for the replies everyone , nice feedback
11-03-2011, 02:32 AM
Razvan729

the kings as played i'd fold.
aces are diff. if MP2 is the same villain in the kings hand, raise/call flop.

why dont you have notes on this guy? he seems to ge to SD pretty often so you should have seen what/how he plays diff hands.
11-03-2011, 08:06 AM
rpm

i'd call if off but i wouldn't be stoked. he can probably have most 8x combos here and wants to get all in cos' top pair and all. plus obviously two pairs and sets and stuff. admittedly this could well be a spot where i make mistakes.

edit: this is referring to the first hand
11-03-2011, 09:14 AM
TheLongGrind

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razvan729

the kings as played i'd fold.
aces are diff. if MP2 is the same villain in the kings hand, raise/call flop.

why dont you have notes on this guy? he seems to ge to SD pretty often so you should have seen what/how he plays diff hands.

He was only involved in small /mediocre pots and didn't have a significant sample size to
work with , my note was ' valuebet to death'. He's just check call with hands with verly low SD value. obviously when he starts shoveling in monies i was worried on the KK hand.
11-04-2011, 01:28 AM
Razvan729

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLongGrind

He was only involved in small /mediocre pots and didn't have a significant sample size to
work with , my note was ' valuebet to death'. He's just check call with hands with verly low SD value. obviously when he starts shoveling in monies i was worried on the KK hand.

this makes me think i'm right about folding KK. if c/c, b/c TP kind hands, then you know you are beat when he 3bets AI over you 4x raise .

also, after getting to SD in the AA hand, no matter the result, you'd wanna make a note about what he psb/call AI on that Kwet flop w/ 2 opps to make your decision easier next time.
11-04-2011, 03:38 AM
BlackRain79

I always get it in here against this player type. Not feeling amazing about it given the board (lots of pair plus draw type possibilities) but I think its definitely +EV