Calling 3bet OOP?

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10-22-2011, 07:48 AM
PKKFW

Calling 3bet OOP?

Ok, firstly, this is a bit results oriented and sorry for that. It's just that this hand got me thinking I could have saved myself a world of hurt by just not getting into the hand in the first place and so I wanted to ask about the situation. Similar situations have occurred quite frequently over the last few days so I'm left wondering if I'm going about it totally wrong here.

Original raiser is a complete fish 76/42. So I call his raise with my 98s. Fairly standard I think right?

Villain is 17/14, 3bet 7% fairly passive post flop over 317 hands. I had seen him squeeze once during the session with AKs.

My thinking was a medium SC is probably the best hand to have here as it could hit the flop hard. So I call and see if I hit big and take it from there.

Rest of the hand sort of plays itself. Is this the type of situation I should just be folding or is calling pre ok?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($3.30)
BB ($16.23)
UTG ($5.59)
UTG+1 ($18.23)
MP1 ($10)
Hero (MP2) ($10.45)
CO ($6.66)
Button ($6.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
2 folds, MP1 bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, CO raises to $1.20, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.90

Flop: ($2.85) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.70, Hero raises to $3.40, CO raises to $5.46 (All-In), Hero calls $2.06

Turn: ($13.77) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($13.77) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $13.77 | Rake: $0.68
10-22-2011, 08:16 AM
baudib

Suited connectors play poorly out of position HU.
10-22-2011, 10:46 AM
Carroters

Fold to the 3 bet.
10-22-2011, 04:15 PM
PKKFW

Ok.

So just to see if my thinking is correct......pretty much any hand I would flat and not 3bet the original raise with I should fold to a 3bet right? Against the original fish I would probably 4bet JJ+, AK, AQs, so I should go ahead and do that and then evaluate if I get 4bet. Anything I don't want to 4bet I should be folding to a 3bet right?

What if 3bettor 3bets much wider, say 10-12%? Does that make any difference?

For the record Villain had Jacks :(
10-22-2011, 10:33 PM
NightGizmo

I seriously doubt that he's 3betting as a bluff here, since a major fish already raised -- it's almost guaranteed to be a 3bet for value against the fish. So you're going to be HU OOP, up against a very strong range, and you have no implied odds (you end up with a SPR of less than 2). Fold to the 3bet.
10-23-2011, 12:33 AM
Vinland

Even if 3bettor is at 12% he's still doing it with hands that beat 98. You can call here with the only hope of landing trips or 2pair which dont happen enough to call off 1/10 of your stack pre.
10-23-2011, 12:41 AM
!Luck

Any fold to pre flop raise? folding to 3 bet is mandatory.
10-23-2011, 01:57 AM
Razvan729

i am not calling in MP even vs a fish w/ that.
as for the 3 bet, always folding, we are HU and villains is not deep enough to call this here.
in this case, at this specific table, i would probably 3bet AQ+,AJs, ATs,99+ and just call 22-88, JTs,QJs, KJs,KQs,KQ
10-23-2011, 04:48 AM
Hoopy

I'm ok calling pre providing CO/BTN aren't squeezing a ton.
10-23-2011, 06:30 AM
rpm

this is a pretty easy fold imo
10-23-2011, 09:02 AM
Icanhastreebet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopy

I'm ok calling pre providing CO/BTN aren't squeezing a ton.

stacks are no where near deep enough to even think you have implied odds.
10-23-2011, 09:07 AM
Icanhastreebet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinland

Even if 3bettor is at 12% he's still doing it with hands that beat 98. You can call here with the only hope of landing trips or 2pair which dont happen enough to call off 1/10 of your stack pre.

gotta correct this cause it's flat out wrong. if he's 3bing 12% that's a TONNE of bluffs so you actually can be pretty happy to flop OESD/flushdraws/2pairs/trips and 1 pair w/ some other type of equity which happens a little over 25% + we can bluff raise etc. however in this case we're OOP and it's actually 1/5 of our stack. IP I still wouldn't call until it was like a little bigger then 1/10 usually and I'd almost never call without some decent reads unless we were like super deep
10-23-2011, 09:08 AM
Icanhastreebet

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Luck

Any fold to pre flop raise? folding to 3 bet is mandatory.

Folding pre is just silly to somebody this loose when we have position and probably are going to go multiway a tonne.
10-23-2011, 04:25 PM
ColdDecked

Fold to the 3b, nowhere near deep enough for us to have the implied odds to call. Calling the open is fine.
10-26-2011, 12:15 PM
TheLongGrind

8 handed , being oop and ur prolly gonna be HU , snapfold pre especially becuz ur not getting paid off nicely vs a 66bb stack