No More Lazy Carrot.

Hey Guys. My life is now orgnaised by a big ass whiteboard that tells me when to grind, when to study and how to not let laziness ruin my potential.

This OP is where I'm going to conduct my HH reviews as well as post goals, aims, things I'm learning etc.

I'm probably going to rant a lot at some point about my objectives, life, desires and progress, but for now I have HH reviews to get through so I'll begin there.

Improving my HU game currently and rebuilding my role after my summer trip. If I can handle the variance of HU, I think I can churn out a pretty good win rate there and possibly switch this to my main game. We'll see how it goes.

Ok I'm going to review a session I played last night and focus on one part against a fairly ok reg who had a few major leaks.To fill you guys in, basically the session began very aggressively with loads of 3 betting from both sides. When I realised he was flatting 100% of my 3 bets I obviously started 3 betting extremely wide for value and not otherwise.

1. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($50.50)
Hero (SB) ($50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
Hero bets $1.25, BB raises $4.50, Hero raises $10, BB calls $6.50

Flop: ($23) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($23) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, 1 fold

Total pot: $23

This hand comes from the start of the session, think this was his second 3 bet and he just looked very reggy and active. Feel like K6o has pretty good blocker value and this is as good a time to throw in a 4 bet bluff as any.

I could c-bet/not fold the flop, but I think this actually has a load of FE. If he's flatting random cards it's probably not a flop he'll mess around too much on. If he's gonna mess around on the flop he'll likely lead the turn anyways, and yeah his TT JJ or w/e are just folding here most of the time to a c-bet. Great board to c bet with air, that's obv how I'm playing air so perhaps that induces as much as checking does if not more, but meh not sure it makes too much difference. He can think I'm giving up with a bluff here so I decide I'll give him an oppertunity to lead turns.

Maybe I should just go 1/4 pot 1/3rd pot 1/3rd pot for value and see if he'll station off with Qx or underpairs, or spazz at some point. This is prolly my best line, but not one I considered at the time. KQ is discounted here and I expect to see AK and AA very rarely so meh I should focus on extracting from a weakish range and inducing and not worry too much about balance at this point facing some dumb 50NL reg etc.


2. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($51.25)
BB ($51.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

Turn: ($7) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB calls $4.50

River: ($16) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $16


This one I think is fine. I'm still opening shit like Q7o he'd have to be 3 betting a hell of a lot and playing well for me not to be. I c bet here planning to fire turns on this board since a good bit of his peeling range will be A high or a shitty pair, 6x etc. Think he likely often folds the former. This turn is alright, takes away a few of his Jx combos and is a further over card to 6x or baby pairs. I fire despite my shit equity with the plan to give up rivers since I think he has Jx too often should he call turn. River I check and hope to be good, pretty std.


3. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($50)
BB ($108.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.95, BB calls $3.95

River: ($12.90) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16, BB raises $102.25 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $44.90


By now we've fully established the dynamic of 3 betting the shit out of each other and he's calling every one. I haven't tripled yet as far as I can remember or if I have fired 3 he's folded maybe one time. I've overbet like 3 times and been called once when I had rivered the nuts. Here I think flop and turn are fairly standard, think he'll call the turn with a load of Qx, floating the flop is not his style, he's more of a c/r guy, and he never calls 2 here with just A high. Draws I also expect him to raise on the flop the way he's been playing so this card is way better for my range than his. I do polarise myself a lot here and he probably doesn't belive I ever just have Ax. Think since I'm just trying to fold out QJ QT Q9 or pair + bricked turned fd combos I should just be betting like 8.70 or w/e and losing less the few times this happens/he calls with better.

If anything this sizing may make him call wider or hero more often given he's seen me do this a few times and the last one was for value - conceivable I'm bluffing with a decent frequency here.

That's my analysis for now. Be back with more updates and shit soon. Hope you're all running good!

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Originally Posted by Carroters

a big ass whiteboard that tells me when to grind, when to study and how to not let laziness ruin my potential.

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interesting. gl sir

glgl with the grind
what do you think of value betting the river w/ Q7? i don't think checking is always the best choice depending on your image, and you said you started the session with some aggression

pics of whiteboard or

and in b4 a grumpy girlfriend complaining about being called a 'big ass whiteboard' ;)

hand 1 i really like postflop. pre i'd way prefer a suited broadway than offsuit. but i realise in HU there is more room to fuck about doing stuff like this as it is more based on gameflow/recent history etc than 6m/FR generally are

hand 2 i'd go smaller on flop and turn. closer to 1/2 pot. that may be bad.

hand 3 i'm not really sure what to think about.

also @ daven,
i think trying to vbet river in hand 2 is too too thin. can't think of a range of which we beat >50% which he calls with. though i may just be too nitty for HU.

Whiteboard - K maybe it ain't that big ass. How do I post a fucking image these days? I need to join image shack or something?

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Awesome thanks man.

Villain is a pretty basic, but solid, slightly on the nitty side type of guy. We've been playing for an hour or so. He goes through phases of 3 betting a good bit then not much and so on, it's usually pretty easy to tell when he's switching gears because his frequencies change dramatically and he neglects balance in the process. He's currently in a active phase.

Reads Relevant to this spot:

He once checked KQ on the turn 100 deep to me after 3 betting pre and c betting Kxx, not sure if his intentions were to c/c or c/r, but I'd assume c/r.

He will snap off bluffs often with A high etc in spots where it looks like my bluffing freq can be high

He's pretty straight forward so far post flop in that he hasn't taken any tricky lines.

So yeah I assume his range is mostly Qx hands and is somewhat capped. I think he can also have stuff like TT JJ etc and c/c turn, floating flops is something he defo sees me as capable of doing. Overall he views me as aggro.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($75.75)
Hero (SB) ($94.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
Hero bets $1.25, BB raises $5, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($11) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets $7, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($25) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16.50, BB calls $16.50

River: ($58) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $65.65 (All-In)

Gonna hit you up for some coaching pretty soon so make some room on that bigass whiteboard for me.

Just copy/paste the uploaded image from imageshack.

Your handwriting is f'n atrocious.

Otherwise, <3

Last hand is meeeehhhhh.

Check turn, overbet river? Or b/f turn, b/f river for smaller amounts? Smaller on the river obv.

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Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

Check turn, overbet river? Or b/f turn, b/f river for smaller amounts? Smaller on the river obv.

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*slaps Dranger with a large trout*


Fuck I miss playing HUNL.

GL, didn't know you were a Heads Up guru these days. Will def. keep up with this thread.

Thanks DTB

Right here's another weird hand.


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($113.50)
Hero (SB) ($175.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
Hero bets $1.25, BB raises $4.50, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($22) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $14, Hero calls $14

River: ($50) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero?

Villain is fairly solid. I've been running pretty well vs him and have won a few BIs he's had the momentum recently though and has got a stack or two back. I elect to call the flop this deep since I don't think he fires 3 too often as a bluff on most run outs. A lot of the run outs he will bluff 3 on will make my hand either containing Ks or spades. And yeah I don't think 3 bet felting this board this deep reps too much other than sets/air and draws. On most brick rivers I planned to bluff smallish to fold out his A high/air not really expecting him to fold a J too often. Here though, I kind of think he has Jx a ton. I assume he keeps value betting with overpairs and most Qx or better, so this check looks a lot like Jx. I kinda wanna overbet, but I actually rep very little here other than maybe JQ AsQs etc. Thoughts? Just give up river?

lol my whiteboard is crushing yours.

GLGL gogogo

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Originally Posted by supa

Gonna hit you up for some coaching pretty soon so make some room on that bigass whiteboard for me.

Just copy/paste the uploaded image from imageshack.

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Awesome I'll dedicate you a whole corner. As long as you never forget that THIS IS MY PLAYGROUND..etc etc (lame in jokes itt take no notice)

I don't get no luv? :(

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Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

I don't get no luv? :(

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Did someone say something? Sure I could hear the faint murmur of a bong...lol j/k <3 <3 are you not playing on a busto site sir?

Hullo guys. Just played the best player I've ever played HU at 50NL. Pretty sure he's a super user having won like a zillion BIs over 6k hands so far and having winrates of like 100BB/100. he made life hell for me so I just quit and found some softer regs. i like playing strong players, but wasn't in the mood there and was trying to finish off hand quota for the day. Feel like a bit of a pussy but also pretty damn clever.

Had a swingy break even day today, played fairly well on the whole I'd say. More grind tomorrow and a review to come at some point also.

Anyone fancy bluffing DA CARROT MAN? I wouldn't recommend it. Just value bet da Carrot Man instead.

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
SB Gottlose ($62.15)
BB Carroters ($64.50)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Carroters is BB :9s: :as:
Gottlose raises to $1.50, Carroters raises to $5, Gottlose calls $3.50

Flop: :6d: :4c: :ts: ($10, 2 players)
Carroters bets $5.50, Gottlose calls $5.50

Turn: :4h: ($21, 2 players)
Carroters checks, Gottlose bets $10.50, Carroters calls $10.50

River: :jh: ($42, 2 players)
Carroters checks, Gottlose bets $41.15, Carroters calls $41.15

Final Pot: $124.30
Gottlose shows
:5h: :7h:
Carroters shows
:9s: :as:

Carroters wins $123.80 (net +$61.65)

Gottlose lost $62.15

Nah, Zwifti shipped me like $20 on True Poker which I lost due to runbad, being out of the game for a while and sucking horribly and also 10nl minimum stakes lolz.

Plans are semi in the motion for me to be moving to a place where I can play on Pokerstars again though. Am not going to divulge too much info until its more concrete though. :D Am obviously super pumped about this.

This is your playground. Now get off my fucking slide!

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Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

Nah, Zwifti shipped me like $20 on True Poker which I lost due to runbad, being out of the game for a while and sucking horribly and also 10nl minimum stakes lolz.

Plans are semi in the motion for me to be moving to a place where I can play on Pokerstars again though. Am not going to divulge too much info until its more concrete though. :D Am obviously super pumped about this.

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Awesome man. Be sure to make it as a balla this time!

Dolla dolla billz yo.

Okay time for some hand reviews from today. Think I played my B- game which isn't really acceptable. Basically just spewing too much in bad spots and actually just doing shit I knew was bad because I was acting before I had finished my thought process. Need to take more time and just not 3 bet/folding when I have a read/idea forming that I'm getting 4 bet really often in this spot etc. I do still struggle sometimes vs the better regs at 50NL HU. I usually find I have a way of getting an edge and doing shit to fuck them up, but today I was just pretty uninspired and found myself playing a little predictably and not adjusting as quickly as I could have. Sometimes regs just take lines that are so fucking imbalanced and weighted towards air for no reason other than they think they have to be hella aggro. I need to be folding less in these spots even with bad equity. I mean I just feel like sometimes these tards have like 1/10th of the value combos they have of air combos; who even needs pot equity in these situations?

Anyways, onto the hands.

1. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($59.60)
Hero (BB) ($144.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
SB bets $1.25, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $2.10, Hero raises $6.40, SB calls $4.30

Turn: ($15.80) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $10.75, Hero calls $10.75

River: ($37.30) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $27.60, Hero?


This villain was competent but often too aggro in the wrong and most obvious spots. He would switch about a bit from being a nit then to being a psycho. As I recall, I'd never raised a board this dry and "full of shitty" I guess I was hoping I wouldn't just c/r air here , but saying that I still expect him to flat with A high or better. Just felt maybe he wouldn't be fucking about with total air. I planned to barrel a bunch of good turns for me. He's also capable of making some hero calls so I guess I kind of don't like this in a vacuum, but that said it's good for gameflow and mixes shit up. i don't want to be folding my entire non showdownable range on this board and this hand is one of the best to c/r bluff with.

On the 9 turn I think he has A high and floats a fair bit. I decided he'd likely just bet A high since he just loves to fucking bet all the time and doesn't really care for concepts like "all better hands continue and all worse fold. Thus, I c/c here and plan to c/c on a good amount of river. Also think he only bets the best of his Tx and better for value sop plenty of A high floaty shit in there imo.

This river bet was fast. I don't think this guys good enough to even bet AT here especially not this quickly and I think any random Jx falls into the same category. I call because I still expect to see A high/air a fair bit, and think his value range is likely something QJ and better when he bets this fast.

Thoughts on this hand?


2. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($83.60)
Hero (BB) ($119.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
SB bets $1.25, Hero raises $4.50, SB raises $12.50, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($28) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $20.75, Hero?

Villain is the same guy. He hates folding to my 3 bets and sees me as a 3 bet monkey even though I've toned it down a hell of a lot due to his never ever folding. However, he hasn't 4 bet much. I've seen maybe 2-3 4-bets from him. I did jam over one of his 4 bets to which he folded. I think there's a good chance he's f.o.s here often. I guess jamming is likely fine here. We're kind of deep so that's what deterred me since I doubt he's ever 4 bet getting in worse pairs or anything. There's a load of dead money though and my equity's probably okayish if he felt. It can;t be great though. I could 5 bet very small and try to induce him to jam wider. I think his 4 bet range is kind of polarised in that he wont have KQ KJ AJ KTs QJs etc much, he'll flat these to a 3 bet. So if there aren't many flipping hands that I'm inducing from, I'm inducing shoves from hands that ship regardless cos they're value, and hands I do pretty damn well vs (bluffs like A4s, K6o etc.)

The other option is to call which I'm unsure about it. Obviously very happy felting overpairs postflop, but shit I don't flop one that often and it's hellish to play flops like this one oop ion a 4 bet pot. I think I like 5 betting smallish.

Any ideas as played? I just folded here.


3. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($53.25)
SB ($53.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
SB bets $1.25, Hero raises $4.50, SB calls $3.50

Flop: ($10) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: ($10) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $7.10, Hero calls $7.10

River: ($24.20) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $23.70, Hero?

This is another spot where hero calling is possible. It's very early in the match. I'd came out of the blocks 3 betting like a crazy horse as usual. We'd played maybe 15 hands and he was already showing signs of not wanting to tolerate my aggression. I like this hand for a 3 bet bluff, not strong enough to flat but playable and meh yeah It's alright. He flats - his range here is probably not tight, but it's still early. I have the best hand here a load but hate life if c/r'd and will likely be jamming over. Pretty std since most people don't even raise Tx here and I don't like giving free cards or putting myself in terrible turn spots by flatting a hand that has a +EV jam vs loads of air. Anyways, so I decide c/c and eval is a bit better, although it can suck on a lot of turn cards. I c/c and he checks back this 8 turn. I discount good Tx, he could have a weak Tx, or ceratainly and 8. Air is also very possible if he just doesn't feel like barreling a turn that doesn't hit his range too hard or change too much.

He insta pots this river. So strange. Like what makes sense here for value. 6x, and J9. That's about all I can imagine. No way imo that he instasntly pots some ten or even any two pair I don't think. I doubt there's a massive amount of 6x in his preflop defending range, don't think there's too much at all this early on. J9 has lots of combos, but meh that's just one hand and I need to work out how often this is just air that stabbed flop gave up a meh turn then reignited on a river he decides is "scary." Think this happens a decent amount. But, do I feel good about snapping this off so early to an insta pot. Like pot sized bluffs seem rarer to me than just like random 4/5ths 3/4s sized bluffs. Idk, I don't actually think a call here can be too bad.

Thoughts?


4. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($90.85)
Hero (SB) ($56.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises $4.50, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($11) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets $7.35, Hero raises $16


This hand is pretty early in a session vs a very aggro reg. He's 3 betting like 50% so far so I'm min opening for that reason. He plays back in pretty any spot he feels like it thus far. As I c bet this flop I have a feeling that I'm getting c/r bluffed here a shitload. I decude to flat and get crazy on turns since his range is pretty air heavy imo. I can turn equity to jam with fairly often when he barrels and don't mind this hand as a choice of defence with bd draws. If I 3 bet I feel he'll just ship so much stuff that I just can't ever 3 bet fold here.

So on this turn, I feel all his air is betting, all his Ax and his draws are prolly bet/shoving or calling. I guess I don't like this sicne he'll have draws he wont fold pretty often, but meh so much of his range is just total air imo. I get a really good price here on making him fold, it doesn't have to work too often at all. I rep aces up, other 2 pairs and some sets so think I can fold out air here almost always. Thoughts?

H1 probably okay after reading what you say. iunno bout river

H2 I'm confused why you are flatting pre and folding THIS flop??? this seems absolutely silly to me. dunno why u r only making it 9bb pre v someone you say are never folding to 3bs. you alrdy tightened up now make it like 12bb or more possibly

H3 reread what u said it doesn't make sense. anyway readless it's rly tough to say what he can have and I probably just muck. he can easily have like 66-88 and probably 65s for 2 more combos, this isn't a tonne of combos but probably all get played exactly like this. if he's checking back 98/j9 on the flop he obv has those too at this point. not really sure what air he'd have now that doesn't have showdown value and didn't decide to bet flop. I expect all overs to just bet the flop when checked to but Iunno how these games play now

H4 I'd check a hand like this back because of all the backdoors if he's really aggro then u'll have a lot of turns to peel with or you can raise like A/K turns just to see how he's going to react to this since you'll probably be checking back quite a bit if he's as aggro as you say.

as played I think raising doesn't look credible at all. you're probably rarely cbetting Ahigh if he's aggro like you say and if you're checking back quite a bit he'll know you are just super FOS when you pop this turn. this is why I like check back and raise A turns though cuz it looks a lot more credible. also your sizing is silly I think you should just jam your entire continuing range unless you can get him to spazz which you don't want him to do when you have Qhigh lols

just my 5c

Thanks for the advice man. I have so many spewy leaks HU, good to hear the opinion of a HU grinder.

A few realizations and goals for my coming HU sessions.

1. Stop being so damn spazzy without good enough reads for stupid reasons like "I'm going to own this guy." or "he's getting out of line fuck him." Don't make bad bluffs etc, or 4 bet the spots where dynamic dictates he's expecting it etc.

2. Find lots more good spots to donk.

3. Focus on playing well, not winning monies.

update on the HU? do you have plans to go back to Vegas anytime soon?

Switched back to 6 max in view of making more VPPs and yeah, I think I'm just better/more experienced at 6 max and get myself into way less dumb aggro subtle tilty spots. Been running playing pretty well at 50NL 6max, mostly achieving my whiteboard goals with the odd minor lapse. Volume still isn't where I'd like it to be though so gonna shut myself away tomorrow and Sunday and just grind a good bit. Took a shot at 100NL having built my roll back to like $3600. Got coolered twice though right off the bat and I'm a BR nit so gonna grind 50 till I have at least 4k I think .

Vegas...I'm not sure man. Defo at some point but whether that'll be next summer or the one after that I'm not sure. Defo in the next 2 years though! How;s shit with you sir, still taking a perma break from pokers?

what's a US player to do? The nearest NL casino is 2 hours from my house so I've only played twice since Vegas. I think if online poker was an option I'd still be playing regularly!

nitty BRM is the pro thing to do. I'm certain you'll be at 200nl+ eventually

Thanks Vi I appreciate the encouragement.

Going to review some hands from my session today. Every time I play I'm going to do this. Good habits ftw.

1. Villain is a feesh running 31/16. Flop c bet = 82%, turn c bet = 0% so far. I plan to peel one and expect to get to sd enough. On this river though feel like I can fold out Qx 8x and even Kx that 'terror fish checked' the turn. Seem ok?



No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($50.25)
BB ($70.70)
UTG ($52.95)
MP ($74.40)
CO ($25.50)
Button ($63.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
2 folds, CO bets $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.50) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($6.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4.75



2. Villain is 22/19 and hasn't done much out of line yet. This is the first time I've seen him c/r a flop. This is probably pretty damn marginal, but meh I have outs to the nuts to stack his strong range and maybe I can pick up the pot with small turn bets the few times he is bluffing and gives up.


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (CO) ($62.80)
Button ($50)
SB ($89.20)
BB ($57.65)
UTG ($55.50)
MP ($17.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.25, BB raises $6.05, Hero calls $3.80

Turn: ($15.35) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $9.60, Hero folds

Total pot: $15.35

I c/f hand one, even if he's 2barreling almost never you have to fold 100% and your equity v something like T9 is only 62%.

Okay after running this through an eV calc. It's pretty fucking close. It really depends on if he's 2barreling the turn somewhere around > 40%. This is about the point where we can c/c 1 on this flop and just c/f turns and hope to ck down. This doesn't factor if he decides to bet the river after the turn checks through though. But basically if he's betting >40% of his range on the turn and river combined and we're always folding except on 7s it's better to just fold this horrid flop(IE betting all his Kx/draws on the turn which is say 20% and then all his 2nd pairs/overpairs/some air on the river for say another 20%). It's tough to factor in how much we make when we bink a 7 so I guess we can say if he's betting >45%-50% of his range at some point.

Hand 2 I'm probably minraining w/ a nitty or 3betty BB unless there's a fish behind me. I ck back this flop a decent% but probably cbet this hand a lot(basically he should MAYBE(?) interpret our range as pretty strong). I'm not sure about flop call because Q isn't a good card. We're rarely making more then 1 bet on a T and there's almost no cards we can bluff so flop call seems pretty spewy to me.

btw in hand 1 I assumed he was cbetting 100% of his range except 22-77 and I put his range at about A6s+,A8o+,22+,Broadways which is probably a bit off, he may have stuff like 98s/T8s instead of like JTo/QTo which of course makes it even more of a fold.

yeah i'd be folding hand 2. our implied odds actually aren't that great despite drawing to the nuts. plus our pair outs can be tainted, as icanhas mentioned. also it's pretty unlikely villain will check to us on the turn when he C/R this flop

Been running like total ass recently. Not playing great either so gonna keep to working hard on my game and review hands post session. Two hands from today's session that I believe I fucked up.

1. Villain is unknown looks fairly reg/taggy so far. I decide to c/r this turn which I think is pretty awesome b vs b because I think A: he bets pretty much every hand that I can get 3 streets from (like top pair) and he probably continues vs this raise b vs b since it looks so FOS. And B: It gives him a chance to stab loads of A highs, floats, the usual shit people flat c bets on paired boards with b vs b. The river is obv utter balls. I feel like his range contains loads and loads of 9x combos in relation to everything else. Assuming he 3 bets TT+ pre etc, there really isn't much with sd value he can/will call with here if I bet, Thus, I think I can just c/f since he wont have just naked club draws/air all that often and his betting range is probably mostly comprised of 9x.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($50.50)
Button ($57)
Hero (SB) ($50)
BB ($79.55)
UTG ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

Turn: ($7) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4, Hero raises $13.50, BB calls $9.50

River: ($34) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players) Hero?


2. Villain is a fish I know not very much about. I block some of the worse flush draws he can have and think his range is usually fairly strong here with a guy to act behind on this flop. I just don't see bluff raises at these stakes in this spot often at all. Jamming can't be bad with so much equity being oop. Idk if flatting is maybe better if I think his range is just lots of AJ 44 A4s etc. Call turn fold river unimproved might be optimal. If villains range was more draw heavy I'd just be getting this in all the time. Thoughts on this?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($51.75)
BB ($54.20)
Hero (UTG) ($52.35)
MP ($51.40)
CO ($22.45)
Button ($32.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
Hero bets $1.50, MP calls $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.50, MP raises $13, 1 fold, Hero?

I c/f hand 1 and feel pretty good about it.

hand 2 is a sigh spot, I probably call and try to see a cheap river and if he like pots the turn u can just fold. not realizing your equity here isn't horrible because it's not like there's a tonne of money in the pot and folding now probably wouldn't even be a mistake if it was between shoving or folding. if turn is a spade we'll probably be able to stack him most of the time anyway. I'm donking turn spades btw.

So I've been working a lot on my game lately. Feel like I've been making some progress and plugging some leaks via sweats with yaawn and actually thinking instead of auto piloting. Been running pretty awfully recently it feels like, but I think a lot of this was rust and learning not to spew like the dumbass retarded regs at 50NL6 max do all the time. Also decided to give not checking results for long periods of time a go in an attempt to focus more on all the shit I should be focussing on.

Here are a couple of hands from today's session.

1. Villain is 19/14 and folds to 70% of 3 bets. He seems like the more tight/passive end of TAG.

Turn line?


$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG borjabh ($26.80)
CO Minajev3 ($50)
BTN matrix_cip ($52)
SB Carroters ($115.20)
BB Brianson7 ($51)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Carroters is SB :kh: :8h:
2 folds, matrix_cip raises to $1.25, Carroters raises to $4.50, 1 fold, matrix_cip calls $3.25

Flop: :js: :ks: :3d: ($9.50, 2 players)
Carroters bets $5.50, matrix_cip calls $5.50

Turn: :2s: ($20.50, 2 players)
Carroters bets $10.25, matrix_cip goes all-in $42, Carroters folds

Final Pot: $72.75

matrix_cip wins $70.75 (net +$18.75)

Carroters lost $20.25


2. Villain is a tight 17/15 reg, but one with dumbass potential. He c-bets like 80%. I basically think on the river this guy can fold AJ-AK when like my entire range gets there. His range when he fire pot on the river is pretty much exclusively better hands so I make what I consider a very easy fold. Line seem okay?

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG das12308 ($31.10)
UTG+1 OMGwait ($50)
CO messier111 ($35.45)
BTN ilexys ($126.75)
SB lilyma ($16.35)
BB Carroters ($92.05)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Carroters is BB :5c: :7c:
3 folds, ilexys raises to $1, 1 fold, Carroters calls $0.50

Flop: :8c: :7h: :ah: ($2.25, 2 players)
Carroters checks, ilexys bets $1.60, Carroters raises to $5.65, ilexys calls $4.05

Turn: :5h: ($13.55, 2 players)
Carroters bets $7.50, ilexys calls $7.50

River: :ts: ($28.55, 2 players)
Carroters checks, ilexys bets $27.90, Carroters folds

Final Pot: $56.45

ilexys wins $55.10 (net +$13.05)

Carroters lost $14.15


3. Villains is 15/13 and has 3 bet once in 80 hands. Usually this is a 4 bet call it off fist pump, but this guy seems so tight that I doubt I'm getting him to ship much over my 4 bet other than QQ+ AK. By flatting, I create a meh situation that will suck on so many flops, but he should play relatively straightforwardly postflop.

River sucks, I guess he can have some air here (AK etc) but a guy like this will also checkback the turn with overpairs and dumb shit like that more often than most regs.

Thoughts on pre and post?

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG toffi22 ($53.05)
UTG+1 Menina3 ($116.70)
CO A_Green91 ($63.15)
BTN txibilas ($39.75)
SB Carroters ($54.50)
BB Richidoff ($50.75)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Carroters is SB :jd: :jh:
4 folds, Carroters raises to $1.50, Richidoff raises to $4.50, Carroters calls $3

Flop: :tc: :8d: :6s: ($9, 2 players)
Carroters checks, Richidoff bets $6.40, Carroters calls $6.40

Turn: :3h: ($21.80, 2 players)
Carroters checks, Richidoff checks

River: :qc: ($21.80, 2 players)
Carroters checks, Richidoff bets $15.55, Carroters folds

Final Pot: $37.35

Richidoff wins $36.30 (net +$9.85)

So October was a bit of an improvement upon the general lazy half assed approach I've had to my game and to volume this year. I played more hands than normal although definitely not enough. I identified and improved on a load of the holes in my game. Looking to move back up to 100NL pretty soon, but figure I'll make sure Im happy with everything and try to pad the roll a bit more first. having loads of BIs for a stake always eliminates BR related tilt and that's defo a great thing for me.

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November is not going to be much of a grind month for me for a few reasons.

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I have 2 Essays I'm pretty interested in and want to do well in so they are consuming the first part of the month.

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This game is going to be immense. On top of these things there are classes, social life, that Petulie fish, coaching, video making. So yeah, going to have light poker month this November and hit the grind hard in December. Going to shoot for 40K when it rolls around and hopefully be playing some hundos by then.

Hope all is going well for you feeshes.

Well, time for an update. Haven't been on here for a few weeks. I've turned up today and am pretty saddened by how quiet and desolate things have become. The glory days seem so far away from this: a baron wasteland with a few fish wandering about muttering to themselves :-(

Anyways, November hasn't been much of a grind as I anticipated. I'm now frantically grinding to ensure I keep gold star for December, should make it no sweat but kind of embarrassing. Think playing 4-6 hour days is doing my game some good. Needless to say it grew back some of its rust while I was working on philosophy stuff and playing skyrim under a blanket dying from one of the shitiest colds I've had in a while.

Today was pretty good. Sessions started out with me spewing my nuts off, playing like ass and running even worse. Recovered -4BIs into +4BIs and relearned some stuff whilst reintegrating myself into the ways of having a strong game. December is going to me a month of mass grind. My target is at least 40k hands and to also catch up on some of the uni shit I've neglected these past two weeks. Not having exams until May makes it kind of easy to slack off, something I know I'd regret of I left it that way.

Here are some hands from today as I've got this review to do. Input very welcome from everyone no matter how good you are. Hopefully we can get some discussion going.

ALL BRUFFS ALL MAH HANDS WERE BRUFFS

i say this only because i won a grand total of like 5bbs from you =(

1. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($52.35)
MP ($59)
Button ($58.65)
Hero (SB) ($58.15)
BB ($52)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
2 folds, Button bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero raises $6, Button raises $11, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($30.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $17, Hero?


Villain is 20/17 TAG. I've already c/r a couple of flops early in this session. He no doubt sees me as full of shit on the flop here so I like my line and expect this 3 bet to some extent, although certainly the main aim of the play is to get called down by an array of worse Kx and 2nd pair type hands.

He very quickly fires this turn and this kind of worries me. He hasn't seemed too aggro so far and my range probably doesn't look like it's folding. Think I should sigh and fold here although I'm pretty confused since he reps so little.


2. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($50)
UTG ($20.75)
MP ($25.75)
Button ($52.95)
Hero (SB) ($74.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
2 folds, Button bets $1.25, Hero raises $4.25, 1 fold, Button calls $3.25

Flop: ($9.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, Button calls $5.50

Turn: ($20.50) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10.75, Button calls $10.75

River: ($42) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $53.45 (All-In)


Villain is 22/17 and has folded to 80% of 3 bets thus far. My image is pretty clean and nitty. I like the 3 bet especially since BB is going to squeezing here a decent amount. Think this is prolly too spewy vs someone who folds to so many 3 bets. The only stuff I'm ever folding is some sort of ATs or a AJ, QJ float. Feel like he has TT JJ KQ KJ JTs KK AA sometimes, just loads of combos of better and not even hands he calls turn but folds this river with. The fact is this river is actually non scary or awesome to a good bit of his turn calling range. If he peels twice with AQ then it really fucking sucks ass. Think I should just c/f flop here most likely vs a strong range, not expecting too much FE over 3 streets on enough run outs, not to mention my equity sucks.

In H1, what type of hand pair hands does he have? 55-jj? How many worse Qs does he raise pre? QT, Q9, QJ?

I really don't understand it.

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Originally Posted by bikes

ALL BRUFFS ALL MAH HANDS WERE BRUFFS

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Now I'm up like $45 den :-D

I was bruffing the time I fired two when you checked back that paired xxxJT board. I made it small to rep a lol wide value range leedo.

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In H1, what type of hand pair hands does he have? 55-jj? How many worse Qs does he raise pre? QT, Q9, QJ?

I really don't understand it.

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Yeah pretty much all of the above. He's opening shitloads of worse Qs here on the BU so there's tons of 2nd best/bluff catcher type hands in his range. Which part are you unsure of?

Edit: obv his flop line discounts these completely, but our c/r is good because he'll call down with all these combos.

Fuck, so not used to grinding 6 hour days. That's less than most full time jobs, but I guess the intensity and focus needed for poker is a lot higher than in most jobs. I like grinding lots, but after a while my brain kind of shuts down, gotta work on stamina.

Easily rolled for 100NL again now, 50 has been going well (ez game) Gonna continue the mass struggle for gold starz and if need be I'll play 100s before next month, although I'd defo rather take some time out to study and watch vids etc first. Made 600 VPPs today, need another 1100 so prolly aim for 500 tomorrow and 600 on weds although I have some other shit on.

OMFG carrotz is actually putting in volume, what's it coming to? Next month Ima ball fwiw.

[x] grim'er

What do you use for cash BR management? I'd want $10k for $100NL if I couldn't afford to reload. Standard or nitty?

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Originally Posted by courtiebee

What do you use for cash BR management? I'd want $10k for $100NL if I couldn't afford to reload. Standard or nitty?

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Nitty for me (then again I used to take shots at 25 buyins and run good ftw), probably about what Carrotz will do I'm guessing. I'd want 5k

Got just over 4k just now, feels kinda light but think I'll take a shot and see how it goes.

If you are willing to move down in stakes pretty soon after losing a bunch, I can see how 40 might be ok. I'd rather have more so that I can lose multiple stacks without having to worry about dropping down, but I'm BR nitty like that.

Personally I think 40 buys is plenty. If we're looking at stacks as $value instead of # of buys than we're already playing a losing game imo.

I'm not a cash player, so I have no idea how much variance is involved with cash games. Seems like it would be pretty standard to lose several stacks pretty quickly in a cash game, though, especially if you are playing a bunch of tables at a time. What's a standard bad day for cash? (assuming 6 hours of 8-tabling 6-max, for example)

Wanting 100 BI assumes that I absolutely 100% cannot afford to go busto. I'm really conservative when it comes to BR management, but I've seen some really sick downswings that pretty much scare the shit out of me.

Depends on the person. If you have the discipline to move down when needed 20 buys isn't an issue. At these stakes (I'd guess) winrates are lower so variance will be more of a factor, but with 40 buys you can easily deal with any 10 buy swing.

Can't you easily lose 10 BI in one session, though? Or am I off on this? Maybe I should just go study some PTR graphs instead of hijacking this thread. ok bye

/hijack

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Originally Posted by courtiebee

Can't you easily lose 10 BI in one session,
/hijack

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its not plo.

you alive bro?