ARGH! Losing my shirt and getting frustrated. (3 hands inside)

I"m about 14k hands this month, and I'm now down 5 buy ins, and I"m playing tighter than I have ever played. I just keep having my big hands run over by sets, flushes, straights, boats, u name it. On the other hand I can't seem to get ANY action whatsoever when I hit a big hand :(:(:(:(:(:(


anyways, here's 3 hands from today's session that were like 90% of my losses.
The first two I'm pretty sure I did the right thing, maybe not the best thing, but now the worst thing either lol

no reads/stats on this player
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG ($6.80)
UTG+1 ($3.85)
MP1 ($1.89)
MP2 ($2)
Hero (MP3) ($5.20)
CO ($6.25)
Button ($4.57)
SB ($5)
BB ($2.04)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q:heart:, Q:diamond:
4 folds, Hero bets $0.15, 3 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) J:spade:, 6:spade:, 2:spade: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $4.15, BB calls $1.14 (All-In)

Like there's no way i should be finding the fold button here right? after his re raise he's got like 20 some BB's behind.

Turn: ($4.10) A:heart: (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.10) 9:heart: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.10 | Rake: $0.20

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This villain is playing 11/9, 3% 3bet, 40%4bet+
I basically call his shove here because he's got like 40 BB's to start, I feel like these short stacks could be shoving alot wider. May have been some tilt invoved, u know, gamble gamble
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (SB) ($5)
BB ($5.42)
UTG ($8.66)
UTG+1 ($6.34)
MP1 ($3.47)
MP2 ($1.83)
MP3 ($5)
CO ($5.07)
Button ($2.09)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8:club:, 8:diamond:
6 folds, Button bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, 1 fold, Button raises to $2.09 (All-In), Hero calls $1.64

Flop: ($4.23) 6:heart:, K:club:, 2:club: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($4.23) 3:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.23) A:diamond: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.23 | Rake: $0.21

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this guy is playing 23/14 over 529. so pretty LAG I'd say.
If i check behind this flop i'm turning my hand over basically, he bets turn - i fold. so I decide to bluff at at, I'd like to have called his shove as I was getting pretty good pot odds (3:1), but only if he has something like 88-QQ, then I'd have 10 outs
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

CO ($5.98)
Hero (Button) ($5.07)
SB ($3.33)
BB ($12.50)
UTG ($5.12)
UTG+1 ($2.17)
MP1 ($2.32)
MP2 ($5.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A:heart:, K:club:
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, CO calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.32) 3:club:, 2:diamond:, 5:diamond: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1.45, CO raises to $4.88 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $5.22 | Rake: $0.25


If I plug in a range of 77+,AdKd,AhKh,AdQd, then i have 33.6% equity, so I prob should have called the river as played right?

I appreciate any input ,
cheers

re losing 5bi at 5nl over 15k - post your full ring position report. Post your general report tab. Remember that nits probably perceive you as nit too, so learn to fold post-flop when they have you crushed.

ok, the hands.
hand 1 - cbet size is fine i guess (charging draws without influencing their calling range etc). After he check-raises in even the best case scenario = he has say TsTx you are still flipping, and worst case you're absolutely screwed. Actually, best case could include AJ no spade. Hmm. What's your general impression of the average 5nl player? There seem to be a lot of nits there = my default assumption before playing 5 hands with someone is that they're going to be a 9-6 (based on when i was at 5nl in this rebuild = a couple of weeks ago). I fold here vs a 9-6. Stack sizes make getting it in less bad, but it's still marginal.

hand 2 - what is his steal %. You can fold pre and that's not a leak. Calling is meh ok I guess if you have reads. I don't like 3betting here.

hand 3 - 3b smaller preflop. Does he normally open 5x? I see a lot of players that normally open pot, and open bigger with QQ+, is he one of these? What's his fold to 3bet? what's his fold to cbet? as played your cbet is WAY too big and this puts you in a gross pot-odds spot. Add a few Adxd to the range, get rid of AdKh, make the pairs 22+ not 77+ and stove it again i guess.

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Originally Posted by nonofyobiz

I"m about 14k hands this month, and I'm now down 5 buy ins, and I"m playing tighter than I have ever played. I just keep having my big hands run over by sets, flushes, straights, boats, u name it. On the other hand I can't seem to get ANY action whatsoever when I hit a big hand

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that said, i dont really know what tight means to you, but if youre being super nitty, its quite possible that people are just seeing through you. If youre playing at the micros though, and following a rather tight-agg strategy, then welcome to variance.

did i ever tell you about the time i had a 16bi downswing over about 3k hands? (this is not relevant because i am a fish.)

hand 1 i might have leaned more towards check, then jam all turns. as played, doesnt really seem like a big deal.

hand 2, opp is clearly a nit, and unless you have some cool reads that tell you he 4bets wide (which his stats indicate he does not), then its an easy fold as played. what kind of range do you give him here? i dont really mind raising preflop against a looser player, but I also wouldnt mind calling, then donk leading almost any flop. [edit: daven brought up a really good point that I kind skipped over about your cbet sizing. you either have the nuts here or you have total air, you can easily go with about a half pot bet, and save yourself a lot of money in the long term]

hand 3, cool, you 3bet pre, and cbet. thats all fine. with his shove, im putting him on jj+, ak, though it could easily just be jj+ or better. this shows you to have 35% equity. you gotta call 2.52 into a pot of 7.67. so youve got just better than 2:1 equity, and 3:1 pot odds = snapcall. on the other hand, if you didnt have the 5 on the board was instead a 6, you lose 4 outs, and your equity drops to about 3:1, making this a marginal call.

more realistically, if you discount ak from his range, and just leave it as jj+, you drop to 18% eq and it becomes a snapfold. This is where reads come in. Does opp overplay ak on underboards?


given his lack of preflop aggression, i would probably narrow his preflop range down to exactly AA,JJ,QQ, and then cut it down to just jj/qq given his checkraise. from my experience, opps playing aa passive preflop usually tend to keep slowplaying it on perfectly safe flops. So, versus qq/jj you have ~24% equity, and this becomes a snapfold.

All that said, I was not at the table, and so thats my reasoning without any reads at all on opp.



oh, i almost missed this, but if youre stressing out after losing 5 bi, then you probably need to work on your bankroll management. ie, get a bigger stack to bi ratio. for 4nl, i started with 40:1, and i only moved up to 10nl at 30:1

Why nitting up so much? Based on volume you played you obviously don't do too much tables at once, therefore you could steal and defend more from exploitable villains. And maybe widen your range just a tiny bit?

Hand 1: I give him all combos of ATo/s+ that include the As, KsQs and sets and we're at 26%.

If you expand that to include all combos of AJ as well as the single combo of QcQs we're up to 44%.

3bing the flop is pretty bad IMO. If you feel like you must continue I'd wait to see a safe turn card before committing more money and in fact I'd check back the flop most of the time.


Hand 2: Is a pretty clear fold pre IMO.

Hand 3: I'm calling. I give him all sets, 99-QQ, 1 combo of KK and AKdd, AQdd, AJdd, ATdd, KQdd, QJdd and we have ~39%.

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Originally Posted by daven

re losing 5bi at 5nl over 15k - post your full ring position report. Post your general report tab. Remember that nits probably perceive you as nit too, so learn to fold post-flop when they have you crushed.

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K, I'll post stats in another thread, i know it's better to have a larger sample but maybe some things will pop out.

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ok, the hands.
hand 1 - cbet size is fine i guess (charging draws without influencing their calling range etc). After he check-raises in even the best case scenario = he has say TsTx you are still flipping, and worst case you're absolutely screwed. Actually, best case could include AJ no spade. Hmm. What's your general impression of the average 5nl player? There seem to be a lot of nits there = my default assumption before playing 5 hands with someone is that they're going to be a 9-6 (based on when i was at 5nl in this rebuild = a couple of weeks ago). I fold here vs a 9-6. Stack sizes make getting it in less bad, but it's still marginal.

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what do you mean by "charging draws without influencing their calling range etc)"???
My general impression of the players at 5NL recently is that they are fairly nitty, not nearly as many lags or loose-passives as there used to be.
so it's prob better to bet-fold flop?

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hand 2 - what is his steal %. You can fold pre and that's not a leak. Calling is meh ok I guess if you have reads. I don't like 3betting here.

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his ATS is about 24% total. He doesn't really have a stack for set mining. I tend to 3bet alot from the blinds when I have a decent hand.
Most of the time I pick up the pot. I prob should have shut it down after that

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hand 3 - 3b smaller preflop. Does he normally open 5x? I see a lot of players that normally open pot, and open bigger with QQ+, is he one of these? What's his fold to 3bet? what's his fold to cbet? as played your cbet is WAY too big and this puts you in a gross pot-odds spot. Add a few Adxd to the range, get rid of AdKh, make the pairs 22+ not 77+ and stove it again i guess.

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fold to 3bet 65%
fold to flop bet 73%
fold to cbet 68%

I play between 6-9 tables at a time. I know it's not alot compared to alot of players, but for me it really prevents me from getting some of the reads you guys are asking for. When I see something interesting, I note it. Other than that I use the HUD and trying to use it more and more. I just find it hard to play like 4 tables. Things just move so slow.

I still have 34 buy ins, but my peak was 43 buyins, so not really stressin too hard yet, just feel like no progress is being made. In total I've been at 5NL for 46k hands