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PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO:Kiwi $10.14
BTN dan $16.05
Hero Celtic (SB): $12.34
BB:Bikes $12.64
UTG:Chatzilla $5.00
Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has ?? ??
fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, BB raises to $1.45, fold, Hero calls $0.85
Flop: ($3.10, 2 players) 4:heart: 5:club: Q:club:
Hero checks, BB bets $0.80, fold
BB wins $2.95
Betsizing onflop, I took it as generous, trying to price me in. Is there something I should know about your choice of sizing after a squeeze?
wheres the question?
/edited inQuote:
Originally Posted by bikes
i'm repping the nuts or air there isn't any reason to make it really big. 2x - 2.1x IP for a 4b is pretty std.
OTF I'm still repping the nuts or air so again no reason to bet really big. if you call the pot OTT is around $5 and theres about $10 behind so i have plenty of room to get stacks in if i so chose it. position is so powerful in nlhe and it's a 4b pot.
bikes, thoughts on this line?
should i just shove the riv? c/f the turn?
feel free to flame if you hate it or whatever.
thanks :D
BB is an 18/16/68 agg over ~70 and in general likes to bet when checked to.
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed)
Hero (SB) ($132.14)
BB ($101.50)
UTG ($55.38)
UTG+1 ($200)
MP1 ($27.53)
MP2 ($18.08)
CO ($19)
Button ($117.73)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
6 folds, Hero bets $3, BB calls $2
Flop: ($6) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4
Turn: ($14) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50
River: ($35) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $17.50, Hero raises to $51
sorry? am i not supposed to post this here?
edit: oh my bad, this is for the "impromptu" game huh?
can someone move my post?
lorax your hand looks exactly like what it is. i'm assuming you'd barrel all fd's and it's pretty hard for you to show up with 2pr+ here.
yeah i was thinking about the hand a bit more and im really only repping a combo draw that got there that i c/c'ed the turn with. are you just c/f'ing here?Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
celtic in your hand i had AA and you were the only person i wasnt coming after light because i had you running like 14/10 or something absurdly nitty like that
k since no one but celtic asked anything.
some general things i noticed.
kiwi u station far too often. though not against me i thought all of your calls against me were OK. however some other calls were sadface.
celtic you were far far far too nitty. there were lots of spots where u coulda exploited your img against me
chatzilla work on reacting to 4bs when u open up your 3bing game. 3bing a lot is fine if u know how to react when people stop folding like 80%
dan you need to work on your preflop and raise sizing, err bet sizing in general actually. i remember you c4b me to like 35bb. far far farrrrrrrrrrrr too big.
if im missing anyone sorry.
haha IF. yeah i pretty much had no clue what i was doing, i think i kept forgetting about my image b/c in full ring im pretty tight and my light 3betting and 4bet get lots more cred. thanks for the feedback I've started playing 6max a little now @ 10nl, defiantly trying to be diversify my game seeing as ALL i can do is play FR cash games okish.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
@ Bikes,
my family just got back from being away for a week so no time to look through the game. Also, my stupid htc shitty desire broke yesterday so can't post from work for like 6 friggin weeks while stupid orange fix it.
But I think I had some reasons for some of bet sizing, but I need to go through the HH to figure out what, when and why.
Ah yeah, when I 4b you, I thought you'd call with all kinds of crap and that I'd get at least 1 street of value from worse on the flop, poss even a bluffy raise, but then the A flopped and I peed myself a little bit.
cant really call with too much when you make it like 4.5x and u cold 4b think i folded KQs there pretty happily
Thanks for the feedback Bikes, from memory, I was running 17/14 on 3 tables and 8/4 on the 4th, I was also on 2 S&G's early rounds so I think my tight arse strategy bled over from there.
Also, playing against FTR ppl that I have amazing respect for, ego kicks in. It felt like every pot was being stolen, more playing against stats than hole cards which is good. 100% vpip is lol, but spot on.
Kiwi was around 38/30,I think, he was ego sucked in too .
bikes 21/19 . when you raised in the hand posted, the odds you offered made me suspicious of QQ for some screwed up reason.
All in all I felt I absorbed more in the hour session than everything Ive read online over the past 2 years . I just dont have the expressional skills to express this.
Genuinely, thanks for the opportunity. I have more questions, but cant remember what they are.
@dan , I have the HTC desire, isnt it bootiful.
id bet that amount with my entire c4bing range
Hope no-one minds me asking this...
$0.80 into a $3.10 pot with AA on 2tone flop? I'm curious why you'd bet so weak in this spot.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed)
MP ($10.14)
Button ($16.05)
SB ($12.34)
Hero (BB) ($12.64)
UTG ($5)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
2 folds, Button bets $0.20, SB raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.45, 1 fold, SB calls $0.85
Flop: ($3.10) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, 1 fold
Total pot: $3.10 | Rake: $0.15
it's nearly impossible for him to have a FD. Unless he's really spewy and given his stats he def wasn't. if he did have a FD i'd expect him to c/raise because getting me to fold AK and not barrel off with it is really important.
stacks are already setup so that i can get the monies in however i want as well so i have to bet an amount that won't let him fold a pair + get him to float me with air to try and take it away on later streets.
Ok so you hold the Ac, I didn't actually think about that. I can't imagine he has any club combos either. What range are you putting him on, out of curiosity? I give him something like 77-QQ AQs+ AK, though AQs should fold really.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
I wouldn't want celtic's seat, I'll say that!
bump
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($10.06)
MP ($11.02)
bikes($8.39)
potcommitty($9.92) - (who dat?)
DoubleJ(SB) ($12.82)
BB ($17.50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
2 folds, CO bets $0.15, Button calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.65, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.50) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.95, CO raises to $2.30, Hero folds
Total pot: $3.40 | Rake: $0.16
i thought my preflop line was better than calling OOP, but really didn't have much of a plan for post-flop, other than cBet and x-fingers.
Should I have bet bigger on such a drawy board?
edit: I am potcommitty
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
Button ($6.04)
Hero (SB) ($6.40)
BB ($5.76)
UTG ($13.29)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A:diamond:, Q:spade:
UTG bets $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.13, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.35) A:club:, 2:club:, K:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22
Turn: ($0.79) 9:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, UTG raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6.03 (All-In), UTG calls $4.28
River: ($12.85) 4:club: (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $12.85 | Rake: $0.64
This one is against ColdDecked who was playing pretty loose. Could have 3b pre I guess. Villain 3b 73%, so c/c seems OK on the flop? I lead the turn because more draws have popped up on the board, good or not?. I don't like my turn shove at all. Call turn after he raises my donk bet?
edit: this is against Bbikes
Not betting the turn was a dumb mistake. My intention was to c/r as I was fully expecting you to have a go at the pot. I hesitated but I called the river because I thought you would have bet a flush draw on the turn. Could you please comment on why you did not bet your flush draw, but you bet your OESD in the second hand below?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
Button ($6.32)
Hero (SB) ($5)
BB ($5.47)
UTG ($19.24)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 3:diamond:, A:heart:
1 fold, Button bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.46, 1 fold, Button calls $0.31
Flop: ($0.97) 2:diamond:, A:spade:, 5:club: (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks
Turn: ($0.97) 4:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks
River: ($0.97) A:diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.69, Button raises to $5.86 (All-In), Hero calls $3.85 (All-In)
Total pot: $10.05 | Rake: $0.50
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
BB ($5.49)
Hero (SB) ($5)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
Hero bets $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.90) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.90) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.95, Hero calls $0.95
River: ($3.80) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
Total pot: $3.80 | Rake: $0.18
Results:
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (one pair, Jacks).
BB had 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero won $3.62
edit: against KiwilandMark
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
CO ($5.07)
Button ($10)
SB ($8.86)
Hero (BB) ($5.17)
UTG ($13.04)
MP ($17.73)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K:diamond:, A:diamond:
3 folds, Button bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.46, Button raises to $1, Hero calls $0.54
Flop: ($2.02) 6:diamond:, 9:heart:, 8:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.17 (All-In), Button calls $2.67
Turn: ($10.36) K:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($10.36) A:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $10.36 | Rake: $0.51
My 3b sizing sucks, I did not pay attention to his open's size. Not sure if it's OK to flat the 4b OOP, my thinking was that he was not likely to call a shove with a worse hand. However it would possibly have folded hands like QQ and JJ, but I am not sure if he 4b these to start with. Flop is standard?
Against Bbikes again. I probably would have folded to a bigger size on the river. Why did you make your bluff so small?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
SB ($7.01)
Hero (BB) ($5.83)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
SB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.46, SB raises to $1.15, Hero calls $0.69
Flop: ($2.30) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks
Turn: ($2.30) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks
River: ($2.30) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $0.65, Hero calls $0.65
Total pot: $3.60 | Rake: $0.17
Results:
SB had 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (high card, Ace).
Hero had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero won $3.43
Why would you bet really big with this hand? Def a mistake. Hard to get called by worse on this board with this hand actually. Would check.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleJ
There is an infinitely large amount of combo draws he should play this way. Jamming is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by daviddem
Because I can't get you to fold anything but air in hand 1. Hand 2 I can get you to muck some A highs and some T's as well as 99-Quote:
Originally Posted by daviddem
Just jam pre.Quote:
Originally Posted by daviddem
Because I'm repping small-mid diamonds. I thought your call here was horrible as there are times where I would turn better pairs into bluffs so you are behind a decent part of my bluffing range here.Quote:
Originally Posted by daviddem
I like the turn donk. You just ran into top of my range.Quote:
Originally Posted by daviddem
Daviddem, you hung around to play bikes HU? Good for you!
some notes on your hands:
AKs BB v BTN is the most standard stackoff ever esp. since I'd guess kiwi wasn't playing like a nit.
Do you have a reason for not 4-/5-betting JJ/99?
In 99 hand, it's a 4-bet pot and when bikes checks back flop/turn I'm guessing most of the time he is doing it because he has SDV, most of which you don't beat. I'd c/f all streets, but really, probably jamming pre is betting than flatting 4-bets OOP. You're not going to outplay him in that spot.
- not really I just started heads up with bikes, others joined later
- yes agree stacking off with AsKs, guess I got shy as I was coolered stacking off with AK vs AA a few hands before against ColdDecked
- didn't 4b JJ IP more for deception than anything. I hadn't 4b yet.
- 99 hand I agree that flatting the 4b OOP is not a good idea.
I am still confused with the river on the 99 hand. As you said, when he checks back the flop I see him either with a hand that has SDV or a preflop bluff that he semi gives up on, given the board. Pretty much same story on the turn. He must also have me on a SDV hand. I would c/f flop and turn but something felt really odd to me when facing the small river bet (and I am probably wrong). In my simple mind, bikes' betting range is polarized between strong hands and bluffs. I first thought that he could possibly be betting a near nut hand so small to induce a call from a smaller diamond or rep a cheap bluff but then I thought that if he had a near nuts hand he would bet bigger than that, since he can really only expect a call from a decent diamond. So that leaves cheap bluffs.
Now bikes says that he was repping small to mid diamonds. It's probably because my game is weak, but I don't quite get what the purpose would be of thin value betting a small diamond in this spot. To be called by what weaker hand? I also don't get why bikes would turn his better pair hands into a bluff? Do I not look exactly like what I have here? If so, no need to bluff the better pairs, right?
I don't know what to take from that.Quote:
Remember, beer and stamping never mix.
Makes me want to try beer and stamping to see what the fuss is all about.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
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only takes 1 moron to click to make it all worthwhile prolly
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