TPTK on wet flop. Line check

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $8.19
Hero (UTG): $5.00
UTG+1: $6.26
MP: $5.95
MP+1: $2.07
LP: $3.67
CO: $8.74
BTN: $5.37
SB: $5.10

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

villain is 44/30 AFq 62 over 34 hands. no reads on him and havent seen him at SD.

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has A:spade: K:diamond:

Hero raises to $0.15, UTG+1 calls $0.15, MP calls $0.15, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.52, 3 players) T:diamond: K:heart: 3:heart:
Hero bets $0.42, UTG+1 raises to $0.84, fold, Hero calls $0.42

i bet close to pot cause flop texture.
when he minraised me, i checked his flop aggr and seen he has 89% flop aggr but no raising flop up to now, sample is small but still i can assume he is loose preflop and can put him on TT,33, KTs and even Axs,QJs, KQ,AK. i didnt 3bet cause didnt wanna fold draws or maybe a KQ he is doing that and w/o reads i dont know if he stacks off on flop w/ FD or OESD or worse then 2pair+. because the pot odds i am getting and the range i think he might minraise the flop i decide to flat, planning reevaluate turn.

Turn: ($2.20, 2 players) 2:club:
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.95, Hero calls $0.95

turn seems blank to me.
decided to take pot control and c/c and let him bet his draws and TP. with the bet he makes , less then 1/2 pot and the fact that his turn aggr is 76% i think his range is still sets/FD/OESD/TP/TPTK, so a call seems fine again on this turn vs his range and the pot odds i have.

River: ($4.10, 2 players) 9:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $2.10, hero folds

the 9 completes the straight draw , had no more stats for his river aggr and also the bet seemed a value bet to me at that time so i decided to fold thinking he is not betting busted draws anymore and checks back TP.


questions:
1. is the line ok?
2. is there ever ok to 3bet/fold flop vs a villain like him w/o reads?
3. should i b/f or b/c turn depdending on his raise? i think c/r is out off the question since there is nothing better folding abd probably nothing worse calling.
4. should i ever call the river bet or is that always a river fold vs villain like him w/o reads?
5. does anything change in line of ranges for villains if stakes were higher?
6. how would you play this hand and why?

1. Probably the best line to take, getting it in can't be too bad though.
2. I think 3bet/call is much better since 3bet/fold wastes our hand. It all depends on what we think his minraise means.
3. c/c keeps his range wider, bet/calling small might get him to shove semi bluffs and top pair hands.
4. River is close, he needs to be betting KQ and like 3 bluffs along with TT/33/QJ/KT. I think calling is ok.
5. He's 44/30 at full ring so definitely a fish, nothing changes at higher stakes with this guy imo.

I don't like calling the turn if we're folding river to a half pot bet. I'd either fold turn or call river. I don't think folding flop is horrible either, against an unknown, but if I did this I'd be keeping a close eye on him over the session to see how often he takes this sort of line. At 5nl, I doubt I fold this at flop though, I'd probably just stack off flop since villain can often have worse Kx hands, and take appropriate notes at showdown.

I would click back the flop like always. (~1.6 on the turn, shove river)
44vpip over 34 hands is high enough that we safely assume he'll call all broadways and not be terribly positionally aware.
His flop click back is TP trying to 'see where he's at' a lot, but he can't fold to a minraise, so minraise, gaybet, gaybet-get it in. -> profiz
If you call, I think you should lead the turn, but then you have to half pot it to set up a river shove. I prefer to keep the lead and build the pot.

how would you change the line if we were vs a 1...25/20 or a 2...15/13 or a 3...8/7 w/ AFq around 50-70% over an aprox sample and w/o reads? do stakes count when we play the above villains?

i would like to know your own opinion,the way you play the hand, not a book version of playing it. ty all.

would just 3b/call the flop to like $1.7 and shove the turn

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Originally Posted by bikes

would just 3b/call the flop to like $1.7 and shove the turn

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at any stakes vs any type of villain? or this is available just for micros?or just for the spot i posted vs this type of villain?

The way I look at the flop decision is. Does he have draws in his range? Could he play them like this? Does he ever over play weak pairs like this? Maybe. Nothing wrong with 3 betting the flop. I dn't like calling because there are so many cards that his the turn that we hate. (A,J,Q) plus any flush card. Prob bad logic.

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

how would you change the line if we were vs a 1...25/20 or a 2...15/13 or a 3...8/7 w/ AFq around 50-70% over an aprox sample and w/o reads? do stakes count when we play the above villains?

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Kind of want to fold against all of those cos vpip/pfr gap doesn't allow villain to have one-pair made hands that could be raising. So it's a few draws and sets - weighted towards sets cos even AhJh might not be in their range.

Stakes matter in the way that at lower stakes players are less positionally aware. One 25/20 might be opening 15% UTG and 30% OTB and the other 8% UTG and 40% OTB.
Stuff like that is worth paying attention to at any stake. tbh I don't take note of that until I see someone show down a hand and then I'm like: wait, how did that get in his range?

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Originally Posted by !Luck

The way I look at the flop decision is. Does he have draws in his range? Could he play them like this? Does he ever over play weak pairs like this? Maybe. Nothing wrong with 3 betting the flop. I dn't like calling because there are so many cards that his the turn that we hate. (A,J,Q) plus any flush card. Prob bad logic.

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so you dont fold and dont call flop, that leaves 3betting it, if he shoves what would you do? so after the 3bet to about 1.8-2$ i would have left aprox 2.5$ in my stack and i would need 25% equity to call +EV a shove and besides KTs, TT,33 i need him to shove at least QJs, AQhh,AJhh,AThh to make my call + EV, if this is a reasonable range that this villain shoves on flop over my 3bet then i am ok w/ 3bet flop.

AFq is ok - but whats his aggression by street?

In my games id fold flop - half the deck makes you puke. The other half can get you stacked
At these stakes id guess it can be done by a lot worse hands but id generally tend toward folding and finding a better spot. At bets its a marginal call down, at worst we have close to 0 equity

@miffed his AFq is 89/76/NA, w/ no flop raises until now.

i made my calls also based on his minraise, turn bet, that gave me odds to call,but his bets could represent a TP/TPTK/FD/OESD as well as a set/2pair that wants to get payed.

the way i saw the hand then and also see it know, i think that by b/c that minraise flop, c/c turn and c/f river i will find myself in time at a 0EV line, but never -EV vs this type of player, by b/f or b/c flop and c/f turn i think it's always a -EV play.

hope i am not wrong thinking like this, but pls contradict me if i am or if there flaws in my thinking.

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

so you dont fold and dont call flop, that leaves 3betting it, if he shoves what would you do? so after the 3bet to about 1.8-2$ i would have left aprox 2.5$ in my stack and i would need 25% equity to call +EV a shove and besides KTs, TT,33 i need him to shove at least QJs, AQhh,AJhh,AThh to make my call + EV, if this is a reasonable range that this villain shoves on flop over my 3bet then i am ok w/ 3bet flop.

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I operate a bit differently, I label the guy aggressive and assign him a wider than expected range. if h e was 11/8 nit, you are 100%. And even with your sample size his range is wider than you think, you will see all sorts of weird stuff here not just two pairs and sets.