Flop top set, no good?

Hello FTR

This is my first post. My name is thomas, was a generally losing mtt player i.e no deep runs (playing mtts way out my BR). I'm decent but alot to work on.

Deposted £40 ~$60 i think. I currently started on 6 max 0.02/0.05. Made $33 in 2 days so looking promising. Posting a few hands that came up.

Hand 1

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, June 12, 01:19:26 ET 2011
Table Hidalgo (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $2.79 USD )
Seat 2: Player2 ( $6.00 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $5.00 USD )
Seat 4: Hero ( $11.88 USD )
Seat 5: Player5 ( $2.25 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $8.49 USD )
Player6 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Kh ]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Hero raises [$0.15 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 calls [$0.13 USD]
Player1 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, Td, Js ]
Player6 checks
Hero bets [$0.30 USD]
Player6 raises [$0.80 USD]
Hero calls [$0.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
Player6 bets [$1.00 USD]
Hero calls [$1.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
Player6 bets [$2.00 USD]
Hero folds
Player6 wins $2.00 USD
Player6 wins $3.76 USD from main pot

Villain is 52/33 with AF 7

Hand 2


***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, June 12, 12:06:42 ET 2011
Table Tavastia II (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $7.02 USD )
Seat 2: Player2 ( $4.00 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $2.71 USD )
Seat 4: Player4 ( $4.93 USD )
Seat 5: Hero ( $9.31 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $5.57 USD )
Player1 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player2 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Th Td ]
Player3 raises [$0.10 USD]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$0.30 USD]
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 calls [$0.20 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, Kh, 9d ]
Player3 bets [$0.05 USD]
Hero calls [$0.05 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
Player3 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
Player3 bets [$0.20 USD]
Hero raises [$0.65 USD]
Player3 raises [$0.90 USD]
Hero calls [$0.45 USD]
Player3 shows [As, Ts ]
Player3 wins $2.83 USD from main pot
Hero doesn't show [Th, Td ]

villain was 58/11 with af of 5.7 only over 42 hands though

Hand 3


***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, June 12, 12:46:35 ET 2011
Table Auriga VI (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $5.21 USD )
Seat 2: Player2 ( $4.30 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $7.50 USD )
Seat 4: Player4 ( $21.41 USD )
Seat 5: Hero ( $10.52 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $3.80 USD )
Player6 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7h 7s ]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$0.15 USD]
Player6 calls [$0.13 USD]
Player1 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 6s, 9c ]
Player6 checks
Hero bets [$0.27 USD]
Player6 calls [$0.27 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
Player6 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
Player6 bets [$0.63 USD]
Hero calls [$0.63 USD]
Player6 shows [Jh, Th ]
Player6 wins $2.05 USD from main pot
Hero doesn't show [7h, 7s ]

45/16/af:1.4

Hand 4


***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, June 11, 03:04:36 ET 2011
Table Peiroos III (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $5.62 USD )
Seat 2: Player2 ( $5.12 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $4.65 USD )
Seat 4: Player4 ( $11.09 USD )
Seat 5: Hero ( $11.47 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $5.02 USD )
Player6 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ks Ah ]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$0.20 USD]
Player6 raises [$0.68 USD]
Player1 folds
Hero calls [$0.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, Qc, Qh ]
Player6 bets [$0.70 USD]
Hero calls [$0.70 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
Player6 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
Player6 checks
Hero bets [$1.63 USD]
Player6 calls [$1.63 USD]
Hero shows [Ks, Ah ]
Player6 shows [Td, Jd ]
Player6 wins $5.82 USD from main pot

villain is 27/18/AF:1.6

Hand 5


***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, June 11, 03:18:10 ET 2011
Table Laodica V (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $7.16 USD )
Seat 2: Player2 ( $5.12 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $16.69 USD )
Seat 4: Hero ( $9.37 USD )
Seat 5: Player5 ( $8.64 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $5.02 USD )
Player5 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player6 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ks Js ]
Player1 folds
Player2 raises [$0.20 USD]
Player3 folds
Hero calls [$0.20 USD]
Player5 calls [$0.18 USD]
Player6 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Kd, Jh ]
Player5 checks
Player2 bets [$0.40 USD]
Hero raises [$0.80 USD]
Player5 raises [$2.75 USD]
Player2 folds
Hero raises [$8.37 USD]
Player5 calls [$5.69 USD]
Hero wins $0.73 USD
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Player5 shows [5s, 5d ]
Hero shows [Ks, Js ]
Player5 wins $17.04 USD from main pot

Villain is 17/15/af 2

hand 6

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, June 11, 12:42:30 ET 2011
Table Boreas V (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $9.82 USD )
Seat 2: Hero ( $10.16 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $5.89 USD )
Seat 4: Player4 ( $8.21 USD )
Seat 5: Player5 ( $11.08 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $12.50 USD )
Player4 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player5 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ As Kh ]
Player6 folds
Player1 calls [$0.05 USD]
Hero raises [$0.25 USD]
Player3 calls [$0.25 USD]
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [$0.20 USD]
Player1 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, Kd, 2c ]
Player5 checks
Hero checks
Player3 checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
Player5 checks
Hero bets [$0.62 USD]
Player3 folds
Player5 calls [$0.62 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
Player5 bets [$1.45 USD]
Hero calls [$1.45 USD]
Player5 shows [9s, Jh ]
Player5 wins $4.72 USD from main pot
Hero doesn't show [As, Kh ]

28/6 af 1.5

seems my copy paste didnt work properly

converted hands for OP

1.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

BB ($2.79)
UTG ($6)
MP ($5)
Hero (CO) ($11.88)
Button ($2.25)
SB ($8.49)

Preflop: Hero is CO with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kh.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/td.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/js.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB raises $0.80, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.95) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/qc.gif (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($3.95) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/9s.gif (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero folds





2.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

SB ($7.02)
BB ($4)
UTG ($2.71)
MP ($4.93)
Hero (CO) ($9.31)
Button ($5.57)

Preflop: Hero is CO with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/th.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/td.gif
UTG bets $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises $0.30, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.67) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/3s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/9d.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $0.05, Hero calls $0.05

Turn: ($0.77) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/qh.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.77) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/jd.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $0.20, Hero raises $0.65, UTG raises $0.90, Hero calls $0.45




3.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

BB ($5.21)
UTG ($4.30)
MP ($7.50)
CO ($21.41)
Hero (Button) ($10.52)
SB ($3.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7s.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.15, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/8h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/6s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/9c.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.27, SB calls $0.27

Turn: ($0.89) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7c.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.89) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/js.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.63, Hero calls $0.63




4
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG ($7.16)
MP ($5.12)
CO ($16.69)
Hero (Button) ($9.37)
SB ($8.64)
BB ($5.02)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/js.gif
1 fold, MP bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.65) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/5h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/jh.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $0.40, Hero raises $0.80, SB raises $2.75, 1 fold, Hero raises $8.37 (All-In), SB calls $5.69 (All-In)

Turn: ($17.93) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/3s.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($17.93) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/tc.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)




5
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

MP ($9.82)
Hero (CO) ($10.16)
Button ($5.89)
SB ($8.21)
BB ($11.08)
UTG ($12.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/as.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kh.gif
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.82) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/2c.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($0.82) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/tc.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.62, 1 fold, BB calls $0.62

River: ($2.06) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/qd.gif (2 players)
BB bets $1.45, Hero calls $1.45

I stopped reading after the first couple.

With no reads the answer is typically it depends.

Are you using a hud? If so, post stats at least, if not the then get hm or pt.

In general, bet bigger if you are raising, typically 3 times.

will add stats. using HEM, do you only need vpip/pfr/af?

try to give stats, reads for every villain and ranges for every street in all hands. try to reason your actions and your thoughts on every street.

H1. 3bet shove flop, he is calling w/ a lot more worse then just AQ
H2. i would raise/fold flop, as played i would 4bet shove river
H3. i would bet/f turn , as played i'd fold river
H4. w/o reads and stats for players it's hard to say, but SB does 3 bet flop vs 2 opp so my guess is that 90% of time he has a set. so i would fold my top 2 in this spot unless i have reads he is capable to do that w/ FD or TPTK or worse 2 pairs.
H5. never ck flop, bet 2/3 pot and in general ( hard w/ reads and stats) i do fold to a raise here. b/f turn also. as played fold river.

You're missing the point. You were playing the hand not us. So we need your read on the villain which should be based on stats and your experience of playing against him and perhaps your image and the table in general. So yes ro pfr & vpip but also anything you feel is relevant.

Also try and analyse each hand yourself which will help you get better at hand analysis and encourage some of the better players to correct your thinking and give their opinions.

like dan said, stats would help, what i said is a general way to play the hands, but they depend a lot vs who you play them.

ok thanks, when i post in future will try to supply own reads and maybe not post so many hands at a time.

H1 - 3bet flop

H2 - Why did you 3bet TT in this spot? Make it bigger 8 - 10BB.

H3 - Turn check is good but calling the river is bad.

H4 - Usually 4bet preflop, river bet seems kind of close since though we figure to have the best hand a lot there's not many worse hands in his range that will call.

H5 - Raise flop bigger since we want to get more value. I might actually fold to his c/r since we're deep and he's repping a very strong/narrow range by c/r'ing 2 people on a super drawy flop after calling from the SB.

H6 - Bet flop.

hand 1- i dont really understand why you would call the turn bet, but fold to the river bet. the q coming out completes the straight draw you're worried about, and the 9 doesn't change anything. imo, if youre folding here, its on the turn. also, yeah, what hoopy said, 3bet the flop raise. i dont think i would be folding this even, since the raise looks more like a pair + oesd (eg, qj) than it does a pair + gut shot (eg, aj)

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Originally Posted by Zorkion

hand 1- i dont really understand why you would call the turn bet, but fold to the river bet. the q coming out completes the straight draw you're worried about, and the 9 doesn't change anything. imo, if youre folding here, its on the turn. also, yeah, what hoopy said, 3bet the flop raise. i dont think i would be folding this even, since the raise looks more like a pair + oesd (eg, qj) than it does a pair + gut shot (eg, aj)

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You can smell an Ace in villains hand even if you got your nose cut off. And he called hoping to complete FH or nut straight and crawl out of this mess.

heres the way i see it:

preflop range - a8+, kt+, qt+, jt+, 22+

flop range - jj (6), tt(6), aa(12), jt(9), kt(3), kj(3), kq(3), aq(12), ak(4)

turn+, I dont really see opps range changing. it would help to have reads here, but this could be a trap with an ace, just as easily as it could be a 2pair or a lower set getting scared of an ace, imho.

further, opp isnt really desperate to get all his money in, esp considering he has ep and hero is playing passive back at him. at least on river, after hero's turn flat, i would suspect an ace would bet closer to 3$$ if not more.


28/58 have us beat (any ace) and we lose 2$$ on the river
30/58, we split pot with and we win 3.98$$

ev from call is + 1.09$$
ev from fold is - 2$$


i almost wonder if it would be worthwhile to raise the river, considering

28/58 call and we lose $4, and assume we fold when he shoves over
30/58 fold and we gain $5.95

meaning our net ev for the raise is + 1.14$$

so i guess its not much of a difference. and if he is likely to call with the k-high str8, then it definitely reduces the ev of the raise.

but even if raising is questionable, im not convinced that flat calling would be a bad idea here.


anyways, please critique away

edit: i know i kinda went back on my pair+oesd theory, but oh well.