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In case anyone misses it, note the bottom-left corner: "Republic of Kenya"
Would be an awesome level if Obama really wasn't born here.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
That picture is not real right?
Donald Trump has recently weighed in on this issue. He sent his own team of investigators to Hawaii and said he has real doubts about whether Obama can legally be president. This issue seems to be gaining steam. You already have some states passing new legislation to make sure presidential candidates are vetted properly. I'm not saying I think he was born outside the country but I don't know why he won't just show everyone his birth certificate. Here's a recent video:
http://nation.foxnews.com/donald-tru...theyre-finding
Kenya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"On 12 December 1964 the Republic of Kenya was proclaimed, and Jomo Kenyatta became Kenya's first president."
Kenyan Birth Certificate: Obama Birthers Latch On To Forgery
It's all part of a master plan to repeal the rules and let Arnold Schwarzenegger be voted in as president
Yeah but where's his birth certificateQuote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
The picture is not real, and Donald Trump is a fkn idiot.
Nothing (of substance) to see here people...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...h-certificate/
He did. The whole thing was debunked ages ago. US corporate propaganda makes Third Reich propaganda look like Bronze Age sophisticationQuote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
Also, Trump is a marketing guy. He's a moron and he always does this every four years, and when you "flirt with running" in the GOP, you have to cater to the lowest denominator of irrationality and ignorance
^that
Do you really think Donald Trump would get on national television and start spewing nonsense without checking and double checking his facts?Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyPoker
Yes, Donald Trump who has made hundreds of millions of dollars and has had many successful business ventures is a "fkn idiot". Clearly the guy is just a complete moron.
And well respected lawyers who have filed lawsuits on this issue, they're idiots too right?
Trump's a powerful guy with deep pockets and if he wants to get to the bottom of this my guess is that he will.
Then where's his birth certificate? A certificate of live birth is not the same thing! Any idiot with mspaint and a printer can make a certificate of live birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Btw check your PMs
orly? So he showed his birth certificate ages ago? That's formal birth certificate, not certificate of live birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Because I've never seen the thing. And neither have a bunch of other interested people.
No. He would start spewing nonsense after checking and double-checking his facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
It's been proven that intelligence is not correlated to success.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
Well-respected lawyer is an oxymoron.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
lol wowQuote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
and your point is?Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
link to scientific study with peer review confirming results?Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Get back to me when you have your law degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
csbQuote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Yes. He is a marketing guy. It's his primary job description. Making big deals of things regardless of facts is how Trump makes money. That's what marketing is, and Trump is closer to a pure marketing guy than just about any other big name on the planet. In fact, most of the products and businesses with Trump's name on them provide no ownership or operation stake for Trump; it's just for marketingQuote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
The man was born into substantial wealth and has bankrupted several times. The only aspect of business he excels at is marketing. All things considered, he's actually a pretty shoddy business guy, but again, outside of marketingQuote:
Yes, Donald Trump who has made hundreds of millions of dollars and has had many successful business ventures is a "fkn idiot". Clearly the guy is just a complete moron.
Lawyers can be very corrupt, and some of the best make the most money by charging fees on crummy litigation. Law is easily among the most corrupt of professions, anyways. Regardless, politics tends to cleave things that wouldn't normally cleave because it elicits such egotism and emotion, like religion.Quote:
And well respected lawyers who have filed lawsuits on this issue, they're idiots too right?
He doesn't want to get to the bottom of this. He is marketing. That's his job.Quote:
Trump's a powerful guy with deep pockets and if he wants to get to the bottom of this my guess is that he will.
Certificate of live birth IS the correct certificate. This is a make-believe issue because the right-wing is propaganda fueled. Before the birthers even became mainstream nuthouse GOP, their previous mainstream partiers debunked the birther claim. Even the neocons of just a few years ago shake their head at this insanityQuote:
orly? So he showed his birth certificate ages ago? That's formal birth certificate, not certificate of live birth.
Because I've never seen the thing. And neither have a bunch of other interested people.
im chalking this up as a kfaess loss...sorry bud...
lol its all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
Usually I try to avoid long internet discussions/arguments because at the end of the day they're pretty fucking useless. However, I've become a lot more interested in politics recently and can't really help myself when that's the topic of discussion.
I have a feeling your becoming interested has brought you to the dark side. Please don't watch Fox News.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
haha, well unfortunately from a liberal's point of view I am part of the "dark side". Tbh though I enjoy talking about issues and hearing other people's opinions. I always try to analyze things objectively even though that is hard at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Ive figured out that I'm very clearly right leaning on most things except probably more center/left when it comes to social issues. I really don't claim to know that much about politics though
Let me ask you something: if foxnews is so bad why does is absolutely CRUSH everyone else in ratings? Perhaps because America itself leans right? Or perhaps because it really is the most balanced news provider?
when a post starts with a rhetorical question like this, the post has nowhere to go but upQuote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
The massive failure of Terman's termites proved this.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
Old people. O'Reilly's main demo is 70 year olds. The right-wing is institutionalized xenophobia, bigotry, and ignorance, and old people are the best at those things. Also, propaganda sells very well. That's why Faux Noise is what they are. Don't forget that they've defended their rights in court to lie about news.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
The nation is BY FAR a liberal nation on policy, it's just that so few people pay enough adequate attention to politics to actually know how to couple their policy with politics. There are diehard bigots and diehard libertarians, but outside of that, many people who vote right-wing have Eisenhower type policies in mind, which are MEGA MEGA MEGA liberal socialist. Eisenhower was a revered Republican military man, yet he couldn't get elected today in a small local election in the most liberal district in the country. That's how far down the right we've fallen over the years. Reagan couldn't get nominated for POTUS in the Democratic primary, GOPers would run him out of contention in a flash. Even Obama is more right-wing than Bush (the second Bush). It's crazy crazy crazy stuff. There's a reason Limbaugh hammers away that the right-wing strategy should be to go as far right as possible; it's because it shifts the political "center". They've been doing this since around Nixon, and the policy of the nation has moved to right-wing extremism by several magnitudes since then.
Here are some examples. The top tax rate under Republican conservative hero Eisenhower, who helped usher in an era of great prosperity, were over 90%, today it's in the low thirties with an effective rate in the single digits due to insane loopholes, capital gains and estate rates, and overwhelming redistribution of wealth up to the tippy top billionaire earners
More jobs were created under that evil librul Carter than any other four years of an administration since. Carter was a people's champion, he got annihilated by the megacorp powers of his day, and since history is written by the winners, he's been swept under the rug and vilified. Goldman Sachs then brought in their puppet, Ronald Reagan, whom, like already stated, was substantially to the left of Obama
I implore you, examine the policy, history, and motivations of politicians. US corporatism co-opted the GOP a long time ago, they developed the Southern Strategy of bigotry, and it's been nothing but propaganda mill since
Like take a look at what the GOP is demanding in order to not shutdown government. In there is a clause that would prohibit ending war. No joke. It's disgusting. To steal from Chris Rock, the GOP are the guys who steal your TV then come over the next day and say "I heard you got robbed"
You might think I sound like I'm on Team Democrat. Far from it. I really don't like the Democrats too. They're stuck in the need to compete for megacorp funding, so they're very corporatist. But the difference between hate for Dems from liberals and neocons is that the liberals dislike them for actual policy issues while the neocons hate them for fairy tale batshit reasons
Get your news from the internet in a variety of sources. If you like right-wing work, like WorldNetDaily, make sure to spend some time reading liberal work like ThinkProgress. You'll gradually be able to figure it out, but the most important thing is to make sure you don't get your information from a bubble.
Anyone questioning Obamas presidential eligibilty would be better off not trying disprove Hawaii as his birthplace, but whether or not Hawaii is actually and legally a state.
But that's pretty fucking absurd too.
I'm trying to think of a question you could have asked that would be more irrelevant than asking about ratings, but I'm having a hard time.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
I'd like to add that I believe that progressive internet media, possibly even just TheYoungTurks alone, is more popular than any one show on Faux. The disconnect is that old people vote, vote, and vote some more. Young people and swing voters generally don't vote unless they get uber enthused, so you can then have even more popular journalism be less capable of driving political discourse than Faux and Limbaugh fear-media
The 2010 elections landslid for the GOP, not because of moves towards the GOP or increased enthusiasm, but because a fuckload of progressives stayed home because Obama and the DNC refuse to rally enthusiasm by going to war against the rapers and pillagers. Old people are paranoid, stubborn, and judgmental; this gets them to vote lots. Young people are generally much more empathic, egalitarian, and open-minded; this gets them to not vote that much
Demolition Man don't lie!Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Currently reading Gladwell.
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Poor america. Don't you guys have bigger things to worry about? It's too hard to discuss policy...mebbe we can kick him out some other way!!! DMORCRACY!!! YEA
kfaess has become a masterclass troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
So much so that I can even resist. Is there no other possible reason for Fox News' ratings? It's either America is right leaning or Fox is the most balanced news provider?
You'd really enjoy reading more about it I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyPoker
Everybody post your birth certificate here. You're all suspect until you do. Especially bigred.
I disagree, I think that the GOP had landslide elections primarily because people want to cut spending. Secondarily, I think that many other people also disagree with the direction of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
For me its hard to justify that one sided of an election based solely on voter turnout; there had to be other factors. The biggest landslide election in 50 years happened because Obama didn't get enough of his supporters out to vote?
lolol I didn't intend my post to mean it has to be one of those things. I was just asking a question and providing two possible answers, neither of which have to be correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
And I'm certainly not trying to troll, just trying to give my honest opinions. I see nothing wrong with this. Do you not believe these are my real opinions or do you simply not wish people to have opinions that disagree with yours?
Does it have to be one of those two options?Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
My feeling is this: If you care about this birther stuff, you're not exactly on top of things. I see how it can be suspicious, but can you see how it can be silly?
If you care about Fox News' ratings as a referendum on the political slant of Americans or as a referendum on its own balance, you're quickly betraying yourself as not having a good handle on things. Pretty obviously the vast majority of Americans are doing something other than watching cable news channels and it's not exactly a random sample those who choose to watch Fox vrs those who choose otherwise.
If you think any of the news shows are anything but political noise, you really don't know what you're doing.
So I'm left with two apparent options: Brilliant troll or lost in the noise. How you framed your questions perfectly parroting the style of Fox News contributors, whom I believe are roundly laughed at by the Daily Show generation of which I assumed you were a part, suggested troll.
I don't want to insult you, but if you're getting into politics you're approaching at a terrible angle of incidence. That shouldn't be a knock after all, many Americans are lost in the noise.
According to the numbers, it was because of awful progressive turnout. A whole crapload of people who voted for Obama stayed home in 2010. This is standard stuff for off-year elections and voting in general, but especially for Democrats since it's much more difficult to get them to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
Homey, there are a ton of people who care about the deficit. Sadly, most of them aren't in the Republican Party. There are some red herrings going on in the GOP where the bigots and fools are there for those reasons yet claiming its for fiscal reasons, and the fiscal libertarians are there yet aren't paying close enough attention to see that the leadership and astroturfing is nothing but lies
The GOP has not addressed the budget one iota. Not in the last month, last year, or last decade even. Since before the Tea Party got started by the Kochs, Murdoch, and Limbaugh, the only things the GOP has done policy-wise is attack the poor, minorities, workers, and women, and push egregiously horrible economic negative multipliers in tax giveaways to the wealthy while slashing some of the most economically important positive multipliers in many public services.
The only actual fiscally conservative policy in the country comes out of the progressive wing. There's a lot of revenue we want to raise, but also spending we want to cut. The difference is that our ideas come out of facts and what actually works; the right-wing is simply making shit up about what they think their Utopia should look like. Sadly, that isn't normal conservatism, but extreme conservatism. It's just that the US right-wing has gone so batshit fundamentalism that normal conservatism is a thing of its past. The liberal progressive socialists to the left of today's Democratic Party are to the right of the fiscal conservatives of fifty years ago. Think about that.
Also, keep in mind that even a chunk of Tea Partiers want to raise taxes on the rich. There is absolutely no way that will happen on their side, however, because they are a subsidiary of wealthy corporate astroturfing, yet don't realize it
The crazy, crazy thing is that we are a wealthier nation now than ever before, yet all the right-wing rhetoric is that we're on the brink of bankruptcy. Stop listening to the clowns and puppets doing their masters' bidding. If we raised taxes on the wealthy by just a couple percentage points (which would still be less than half what they were during our most economically prosperous era of median citizens), the budget would be fixed overnight. Yet because some of the key uber wealthy are also uber sociopathic powermongerers, they propagandize that doing so is armageddon, and enough people buy the shit. Our Senate structure is so awful that all the GOP needs is 17% of the population to control the policy direction of the entire nation. That's why things are so extreme on the corporate right-wing side now. It's easy to fool 17% of people to demonize the opposition. But everybody, including themselves, suffer because of it. Well, everybody except the handful of richies pushing the agenda
Pay attention to the details and you'll see that the GOP is only lying about budgetary issues, while the progressives (not to be confused with DNC establishment, as they're not batshit like the GOP, the non-left portion of the Democrats are still beholden to our corporatocracy) are the only ones actually proposing intelligent and effective solutions
I should address this specificallyQuote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
Look at the history of the last several years. These people were no where to be found until Obama became president and the corporate brainwashing chamber revved into full gear. The policy of Obama Administration has actually been more right-wing than Bush's was. The only major difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama isn't corrupt while Bush was corrupt as fuck and did shit like fire everybody at the SEC so his Wall Street buddies could steal your pension
Again, "direction of the country" wasn't in right-wing vocabulary until they lost the POTUS. All despite the fact that the new POTUS' policy has favored their professed policy desires quite greatly. The phrase is pure and utter propaganda. The GOP politicians hate not being in power, our corporate overlords hate the fact that Obama won't hand them the keys to power, and the least informed and most irrational citizens eat up the propaganda then fight against their own interests
My family are the teabaggeriest teabaggers of all teabagland. They refuse to blame Republicans for ANYTHING, and are hellbent on vilifying Democrats and libruls at all costs. They believe that Bush was hero for prosperity and Obama caused the financial collapse, they believe that anytime a family values Republican gets caught in adultery, it's okay because the Democrats framed him, they believe that the super rich class that has over a trillion sitting in bank accounts doing nothing need more tax cuts in order to magically create more jobs in their locale.
And all their friends are fellow teabaggers. The Tea Party couldn't be more wrong, yet think they're so right. I guess Faux Noise successfully taught them that facts are unimportant things
“The Certification of Live Birth is not a copy of the original birth certificate. It is a computer-generated document that the state of Hawaii issues on request to indicate that a birth certificate of some type is ‘on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.’ And there is the problem. Given the statutes in force in 1961, the Certification of Live Birth proves nothing unless we know what is on the original birth certificate. There are several legal areas (involving ethnic quotas and subsidy) for which the state of Hawaii up until June 2009 did not accept its computer-generated Certification of Live Birth as sufficient proof of birth - or parentage - in Hawaii. Why should the citizens of the United States be content with lower standards for ascertaining the qualifications of their President?”
FalseQuote:
Originally Posted by Smith
Birthers make truthers look like William Sidis
I've always been confused by this issue... but this article seems to say that even if he were born in Kenya, it doesn't necessarily mean he can't be pres.. There seems to not be a clear definition of what "Natural Born Citizen" means, and that very well it could mean to just be born a citizen (which Obama was since his mother was a US citizen.)
Let's assume for a moment that he's foreign. Aside from any laws/rules - would anyone actually give a fuck?
I know the gut instinct might say "yeah, it matters" but does it really?
It depends. Did you vote McCain?Quote:
Originally Posted by kevster
There's a powerful enough lobby speaking for those guys that it can become *the* issue.
In which case, I would be very sad.
It would be like Bush in his final few years in office turns out to be French by birth, I would enjoy seeing him tossed out of the office ASAP and stern laws put into place to make sure those white bastards never again weasel into a presidential election.
If you think Obama is gripping your neck and shoving handfuls of Socialism down your throat, the out of him being Kenyan by birth would be greeted with angel's singing.
true. people will make it their job to make something out of it I guess.
Yeah :/
And those of us who want them to shut up about it, we have nothing but frustration and the choice of Obama or a Republican. I already know I'm voting D. It doesn't even matter that they'll promise me, "yeah, all that stuff Obama said he was going to do? Yeah, he couldn't do it in his first term because he had to deal with re-election. Vote for him again and he'll really do it."
Sure he will...
So back before the GOP became a majority birther party it looks like the very source perpetuating the birther myth was fighting it
YouTube - Fucktard O'Reilly Manages to to Debunk Birther BS
You have to respect the PR machine behind the GOP. How do you create a political stink around someone in the minds of a section of the populace who have absolutely no understanding of policies?
I respect it for what it is and wish I had the means to wield it myself.
Then all the ladyboys be up in yo place.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
A black man, with a silly name, who's not even from America is president.
No wonder the Chinese are taking over.
What is the world coming to?????
His name is perfect for the USA: He rock and bomb ya.
I know right, black people just need to stick to taking care of their problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillburForce
lol my hair looks like that because it's short and i sleep with my head touching things
So who is the king of marketing? Obama or Trump
The entire industry should throw an enormous party at Trump Towers with the doors locked. The rest of us should celebrate the burning of Trump Towers to the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquach991
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...-long-form.pdf
How long does it take to make a perfect forgery long form birth certificate? I'd say around 2~3 years.
Birther-gate?
the words make me laugh
YouTube - President Obama at the 2011 White House Correspondents' Dinner
Obama made a funny.
That is fucking gold
Seth Meyers was very good at the dinner too
Wow, the part where he tears into Trump is genuinely hilarious.
Seth Meyers is even funnier. Seth Meyers Takes On Donald Trump (VIDEO) | TPM LiveWire
Watch Trump in the audience.
Obama was funnier than Seth honestly. Both were very good.
Man that's fucking awesome, for everyone's info the Trump quips start at 11:55.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
I loved his first Obama joke though:
"But I tell you who could definitely beat you, Mr President.. 2008 Barack Obama. You would've loved him. So charismatic, so charming, a little too idealistic maybe? But you would've loved him."
Breaking news: Donald Trump now demanding that Osama Bin Laden's death certificate be verified.