flop nut straight paired turn

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saw flop

UTG ($5.29)
UTG+1 ($4.10)
MP1 ($4.80)
MP2 ($4)
CO ($2.08)
Hero (Button) ($11.08)
SB ($4.24)
BB ($2.58)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/qh.gif
2 folds, MP1 bets $0.10, MP2 (poster) calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.08, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/jd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ad.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ts.gif (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.35) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/tc.gif (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1.43, MP1 raises to $4.25 (All-In), hero?

preflop range for villains is A2-AT,56s+, 22-TT, suited and unsuited broadways.
always floating flop, even with air. so i know i am gonna get called by all of his preflop range.

turn scares me. i reraise for value vs 9T,QT,KT, his Ax, QJ,KJ since i know he would call them....i get really confused on his 3bet AI, never seen him doing it, and that turn T complets some boats AT and JT which are deff in his range from preflop to turn.
since i am not sure if he ever does this with less then a straight in wich case i tie, i tend to fold this.
does he ever 3bet AI here with just T trips?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ll-173396.html

I must apologise to Razvan, I misread this initially leading to me posting a tarded range, then we had a huge battle in IRC leading me to call him a "fkin soviet", then he left.

Sorry Raz:(

But yes, readless, and assuming villain is half competent, i.e. not shoving two pairs/trips, u have around 33% (if we think he too has straights much less if we dont) and u need around 43% to make the call...so fold.

WTF were you doing raising his minbet tho?

lol @ "fkin soviet" but yeah sounds a bit out of line.

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does he ever 3bet AI here with just T trips?

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Yes. He's some terrible min raising fish who for some reason you think floats 100%$ of all flops ever yet you wont sticdk any Tx in his range here, he probably has AK AQ etc sometimes too. Again stove a range and yoiur equity vs it for discussion.

It's just such a snap call though....really

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Originally Posted by Carroters

It's just such a snap call though....really

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Lord Jesus Christ am I glad you said this.

For reasons seen within IRC...

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Originally Posted by Carroters

lol @ "fkin soviet" but yeah sounds a bit out of line.

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I know, I felt a little bit bad.

Here.

Board: Jd Ad Ts Tc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.659% 42.82% 09.84% 942 216.50 { KsQh }
Hand 1: 47.341% 37.50% 09.84% 825 216.50 { AA, JJ-TT, AKs, AJs-ATs, KQs, KTs, QTs, JTs, T9s, AKo, AJo-ATo, KQo, KTo }

It's just such a huge mistake to put someone this retarded on only boats and straights. It's just horrible unless you have good reads he's very very passive without the utter nuts.

We need 28.6% equity to call here, not 43%. amount to call (2.82)/(total pot + amout to call) x 100

OK cool, i fucked up anyway cos I was rushing...

Yeah, 2.82...I foolishly calculated that the call was 4.25 (cos I rushed to prove a point lol)

Even if you take out like AK (which a tard like this can defo show up with and overplay frequently) and give him no spazzy pair + stright draw type hands it'll still be a call.

I don't feel bad anymore, cos I said it was a snap call in IRC because people are shoving 2pair and trips at 5nl.

np easypoker.... didnt leave because of you, but us "soviets" have bad internet connection sometimes. :)

so again, like other post, maybe i am also not explaining myself correctly, but my question is not if to call or not... my question is about his range for 3betting AI. that is what i want to analyze, he's range for shoving turn. when i played the hand i did call and the moron shoved T8 so i won, for mw its not if i won or not, its if i played the hand right for the long run and if my range for him is correct on the turn.... i posted the hand to see your opinion in his shoving range. i know how to analyze an AI spot, i am still unsure about my skills in range assigning and that is why i posted, to get your opinion on what is he shoving besides nuts and straights so i can corelate that with my thinking and lear more about range assigning....

there are a lot of better players then me here, if not all of them, that is why i am posting all these... so that i can get better in range assigning, so i can do a very close range to what villain is playing in different spots. so please, refer to what he could be shoving here! that is all i want.

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np easypoker.... didnt leave because of you, but us "soviets" have bad internet connection sometimes. :smile:

so again, like other post, maybe i am also not explaining myself correctly, but my question is not if to call or not... my question is about his range for 3betting AI. that is what i want to analyze, he's range for shoving turn. when i played the hand i did call and the moron shoved T8 so i won, for mw its not if i won or not, its if i played the hand right for the long run and if my range for him is correct on the turn.... i posted the hand to see your opinion in his shoving range. i know how to analyze an AI spot, i am still unsure about my skills in range assigning and that is why i posted, to get your opinion on what is he shoving besides nuts and straights so i can corelate that with my thinking and lear more about range assigning....

there are a lot of better players then me here, if not all of them, that is why i am posting all these... so that i can get better in range assigning, so i can do a very close range to what villain is playing in different spots. so please, refer to what he could be shoving here! that is all i want.

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..................WAT??????/

That's what we just did "whether I should call the turn" and "what range is villain shoving on the turn" are the same thing as far as the analysis we do goes since whether we call the turn or not depends entirely on what his range is for shoving it!

If you know how to analyse an all in spot then you'd put villain on what you think his range is and stove your equity, you'd also know that analysis wise there is very little difference between assigning him a turn range and deciding if you should call. Calling vs folding is just the final step in the process that actually turns your analysis into profit....

ok... problem is with me saying right what i think...hard to think in romanian and write in english.

gonna try again. i know the steps in analyzing a AI. at ranges i am not that good. if i give a too wide range for villain then i am calling too many , if i give a too tight range then i am folding too many spots.

so, my range for villain shoving here is AT,TT,JT,KQ,KJ,KT,QJ,QT,9T.... my original question is, and maybe this is how i should have formulated...is this range correct for him shoving or i should narrow it?

I'd take out the weak draws and weak pair + gutter hands that you've included and instead put in a few combos that fish consider nutted and are more likely to overplay. That range I gave earlier in the thread is a decent estimate and accounts for a few combos, though nowhere near all potential combos, of possible overplayed top pair type stuff and then all reasonable combos of Ts and better. He's not super likely to have stuff like Q9 etc here.

If we're unsure of how often villain takes a certain line with a certain type of hand we can add a few combos of those hands to represent that we think that in this spot with the information we have, on average, we will see these hands some % of the time but not that often. This is why I include AK and not say AQ aswell.

You can't be 100% certain of a range unless you have awesome reads or the spot is very trivial, so always look to represent likelyhoods of what his range is usually like given what you know. The art of this comes with practice, which is why I urge yopu to keep trying.

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

preflop range for villains is A2-AT,56s+, 22-TT, suited and unsuited broadways.

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Just as an aside from the rest of the comments / analysis in this thread:

I am curious as to why you limit his MP1 minraise range to just AT-A2, 56s, TT-22? Do you feel he will always raise more with AJ+, JJ+? Seems to me that we are needlessly limiting villain's preflop range.

yes he does open the range i took out with 4bb... his 2 bb opening is the one i wrote.

Flop raise far bigger, you're giving pretty much all draws direct odds.
River stove time
JT/T9/AT/KQ/T8/QT/KT/AJs is probably the most optimistic you can hope for.

grunch, super easy call