80% of the ingredients what now?

I've only been at the table for 4 hands so I have no info/stats on anybody and to be honest I'm still playing and haven't had time to work through this. I will say I am sure somebody has an Ace and I am behind no doubt. Just an interesting hand in that how often do we get the big one!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($2.15)
Hero (BB) ($5)
UTG ($3.83)
MP ($6.01)
CO ($4.58)
Button ($2.26)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q:club:, J:club:
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, 1 fold, Button bets $0.16, SB calls $0.14, Hero calls $0.11, UTG calls $0.11, MP calls $0.11

Flop: ($0.80) A:club:, 2:diamond:, J:diamond: (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.15, 1 fold, Button calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15

Turn: ($1.25) K:club: (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.15, Button raises to $1.95 (All-In), Hero??

My guess in this situation is the button either has a made broadway or a set and is looking to get rid of people drawing to either of the flushes. The "book" would probably tell you that you aren't getting the right odds to call. You're only in for $0.31 and now you'd have to commit a third of your starting stack to see the river. But since you do have someone behind you who might call, I'd play a little reckless. You have a huge draw... any club wins you the hand (unless they have a set in which case the J or 2 of clubs would give your oponent a full house), and any ten will atleast tie you the pot (unless your oponent has 2 diamonds and the queen of diamonds hits the river... but as I've already stated, due to how hes playing the hand, I REALLY don't think hes on a flush draw). I'd take a shot at seeing this river card... but thats just me. If the stakes were higher, I might decide its not worth it... but who knows. So tell me, what did you end up doing?

fold preflop

you should be playing these sorts of hands in position Harley, OOP in multiway pots they lose a lot of their value since it's generally harder to extract postflop OOP and you'll likely be facing action where you won't be able to profitably proceed

As played, calling the flop is not horrible due to pot odds, but you are going to be put into some pretty difficult spots on the turn, but this stems from your preflop decision

On the turn try giving both these guys a range and we'll go from there

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I'd take a shot at seeing this river card... but thats just me. If the stakes were higher, I might decide its not worth it...

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There is something fundamentally wrong with this type of thinking and I hope you can see what it is

wtf every part of this hand is std call turn

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wtf every part of this hand is std call turn

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I don't think pre is standard, I think beginners stand to benefit more from learning to play these sorts of hands IP first and then add them to their blind play so they can have a better fundamental base with which to make their decisions, otherwise they are much more likely to make spewy plays

Caddie what the shit? QJs plays perfectly fine if not downright spectacular in a 4way pot. Not calling pre is absolutely atrocious

Firstly, we're not guaranteed to be 4way (though we will be likely a large % of the time) since UTG will lrr sometimes, but it's hardly worth mentioning

In my experience beginners have a hard time playing this hand profitably in these spots b/c they don't really understand relative hand strength, have trouble hand reading etc. ie - they may overplay TP, call with incorrect direct/implied odds etc

I just think it's much easier for beginners to learn to play these hands IP first, then add them to their blind play, since I believe that a call here can actually become -EV if you do not have good postflop skills

Don't see that you could come up with a range that would make this a call on the turn.

It's a marginal call (before rake) against the weakest of made hands that beat yours (like K3 or A3).

fold and watch in horror as the :tc: rolls off

Pre is totally fine.

Quickly stoved up a range; you need something like 35-36% equity to call here, while you are about 28% vs. a range that includes all the value-type hands you'd expect; 2-pairs, sets etc.

Given that we have a donk behind us (nice 1/9th pot turn bet moran) who may call nonetheless, our decision here is pretty straightforward imo. Call and don't think too much about it.

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My guess in this situation is the button either has a made broadway or a set and is looking to get rid of people drawing to either of the flushes. The "book" would probably tell you that you aren't getting the right odds to call. You're only in for $0.31 and now you'd have to commit a third of your starting stack to see the river. But since you do have someone behind you who might call, I'd play a little reckless. You have a huge draw... any club wins you the hand (unless they have a set in which case the J or 2 of clubs would give your oponent a full house), and any ten will atleast tie you the pot (unless your oponent has 2 diamonds and the queen of diamonds hits the river... but as I've already stated, due to how hes playing the hand, I REALLY don't think hes on a flush draw). I'd take a shot at seeing this river card... but thats just me. If the stakes were higher, I might decide its not worth it... but who knows. So tell me, what did you end up doing?

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Seriously, almost everything about this post is horrible. This isn't 2004 bro. We're glad you're at least trying to think about poker, but you're going about it the wrong way. Read other posts in this forum and make note of how people go about answering these types of questions.

The first step is admitting you're wrong, then you can actually begin learning.

PS: you should probably join us in IRC.

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In my experience beginners have a hard time playing this hand profitably in these spots b/c they don't really understand relative hand strength, have trouble hand reading etc. ie - they may overplay TP, call with incorrect direct/implied odds etc

I just think it's much easier for beginners to learn to play these hands IP first, then add them to their blind play, since I believe that a call here can actually become -EV if you do not have good postflop skills

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How are you supposed to learn these skills without logging hands for experience? I understand that people can indeed overplay these hands but that's why they are learning to play them for quarters instead of hundreds.

Alright... I did come here to improve my game. I was wrong... now what?

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Quickly stoved up a range; you need something like 35-36% equity to call here, while you are about 28% vs. a range that includes all the value-type hands you'd expect; 2-pairs, sets etc.

Given that we have a donk behind us (nice 1/9th pot turn bet moran) who may call nonetheless, our decision here is pretty straightforward imo. Call and don't think too much about it.

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I don't see that the donk who gay bets the flop and turn is going to call a double overbet shove often enough to make this profitable.

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Alright... I did come here to improve my game. I was wrong... now what?

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Write a 5,000 page dissertation on why you were wrong.

lol i thought 2p2 trolling was getting out of hand

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lol i thought 2p2 trolling was getting out of hand

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My bad, spending too much time in the commune.

@fifth street, start with what penneywise said and read thru other threads and you'll get a general idea of what this sites all about. A big mistake is to come in here with the idea that you should make a call based on the fact that the stakes are low when peolpe are trying to improve their game based on winrates in big blinds, not actual monies won or lost.

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Alright... I did come here to improve my game. I was wrong... now what?

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What do you mean? Every response I read towards you was very helpful.