tptk facing flop reraise

Hi guys first post here hope im doing this right. Ive only been playing online poker for a short time currently have 666 hands played at 6max 2nl. Villain is running 23/5/4.5 af over a small sample(157 hands). For a range I put him on small Axs,Axo,small pocket pairs and maby suited connectors. I cant get hand history conversion to post if someone can convert it for me that would be great. Oh im getseek in below example

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($1.97)
Hero (SB) ($4.04)
BB ($0.56)
UTG ($2.15)
MP ($1.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J:diamond:, A:spade:
1 fold, MP calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.09, 1 fold, MP calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.22) 3:diamond:, 7:club:, J:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.11, MP raises $0.22

Total pot: $0.44

Hero ?

Edit by !luck to insert hand.

I would call this guy passive of the small of hands you have on him so your range is too wide remove a lot of the draws in his raising range tell me what your equity is.

Download pokerstove. I'll convert your hand for you once I get home.

Welcome.

!luck

Thanks for the reply !luck im a little confused by your questions but here goes. Ok if by taking the draws out of his range that pretty much leaves us with A3,A7,AJ,33,77,JJ vs that range i have 66% equity but with how passive he is if i take out the Ax, hands and give him TT+ plus 33 and 77 i have 30% which is pretty clearly a fold because vs his range i have not many ways to improve. I hope I answered this right like i said I only took up this game but I love it and id really like to get better at it.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button ($1.97)
Hero (SB) ($4.04)
BB ($0.56)
UTG ($2.15)
MP ($1.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
1 fold, MP calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.09, 1 fold, MP calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.22) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.11, MP raises $0.22

Total pot: $0.44

I have no idea what 4.5af means but I don't think someone who's min raising is gonna put alot of money in with a bluff so I think you should just 3b and try to get it in by the river. You don't have to worry to much about 2pair and he's probably 3betting overpairs preflop so there's almost no combos that beat you and he probably has something like jt-kj most of the time here and isn't folding kj unless the board runs out aq or something.

I think his flop raising range possibly has more Jx than you said, like KJ,QJ,JT, and maybe also hands like TT and 99. Probably somewhat discount AA and KK because he would raise them preflop (don't exclude them completely though, some people like to slowplay these). The flop is very dry, so there are no strong draws, at most a gutshot straight draw).

I think you can call the minraise because the pot odds are so good and you are still far from commitment. Check the turn and see what happens. Probably fold to a large bet. Probably call a small bet.

I disagree with the above. Given the terrible information we have to go in, I think in general at 2 nl 100bb deep you should be raising and getting stacks in as soon as possible with this hand on this board because people can have kj here and people don't fold kj here.

If he always plays an overpair like this it's probably only a brake even stack off but 99% of people can never have an overpair here.

What's gonna happen if you flat is he's gonna play jt-kj really passively and you're not gonna get any value from him and if he has 33-77 he's gonna bet alot and you'll likely lose most of your stack.

The point is that when passive players start raising you, there is reason to worry. Not only he is passive, but he is also rather tight for 6 max. If he had AJ or KJ and he raises this flop with them, he would probably have raised them preflop as well, so we should probably discount them a bit as well.

Limp/call pre, raise flop line from a tight player smells like a set. This is 2NL though so let's try a range of AJ,KJ,33,77,JJ:

Board: 3d 7c Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.273% 37.86% 14.41% 7872 2995.50 { JJ, 77, 33, AJs, KJs, AJo, KJo }
Hand 1: 47.727% 33.32% 14.41% 6927 2995.50 { AsJd }

And that's without discounting AJ. Things get much worse if you start discounting AJ and KJ.

It's 5 handed, he's nearly on the button and he never has jt or qj here but he has jj? He's not necessarily stacking off with those but he definately could and I doubt he's folding to a 3bet, and probably not to a turn bet with QJ. And 77-aj less likely with his check call preflop.

I think I agree with you davidem I was actually really surprised by his flop reraise and i agree that when a passive player becomes aggresive theres prolly something to worry about. Looking at the board I just couldent see much that I beat KJ JTs, thats about it and i honestly couldent see this type of player raising with it. Thanks for the response guys Im sure this hand is pretty standard but its something ive ran into a few times TPTK dry board and facing aggresion just wanted to see what the smart people thought :D.

You learn to fold TPTK vs. passive fish / nits and you will start to print money.

I think stacking off here is bad verse decent nits but qj is going to look alot stronger to a retarded 2 nl nit on a j73 board than a jt7. We don't really no anything about him though besides a 150 sample hud stat. To look at that and say he can only have 7 combo's of sets when he check raises this board is kind of ridiculous, this is 2 nl.

I think if you 3b and he min-4bets or ships you're probably fucked. If you flat and he starts potting it or trying to get stacks in you can probably fold also.

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Originally Posted by devins

We don't really no anything about him though besides a 150 sample hud stat. To look at that and say he can only have 7 combo's of sets when he check raises this board is kind of ridiculous, this is 2 nl.

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he can only have 7 combos of sets on this board whether he checks, bets, raises, or folds.

edit: misinterpreted what you said. carry on.

2nl limp/call pre and minraise this flop is 90% of times 33/77 and 10% Jx. there are no obvious draws on flop he can be afraid off, the minraise is just bulding pot, not to big so you'd fold and just enough to add some money and make you call TPTK, only a set acts like this. A Jx, other then AJ would reraise bigger to get the flop now, but ussually they just call Jx not minraising, even fishes know minraising makes only air fold. besides, bet flop bigger, like 16-18 cents, your bet looks like a missed flop.

like !Luck said, learn to fold TPTK to make money, sometimes yes, you fold the best hand, but most times times you make the right decision folding with no reads on opp he does this 88-TT or TP.

like played here, i would call flop ( just because your bet didnt show strenght) and try to get a cheap SD. make a note what he had.

If he has an aggression factor of 4.5 I'm definitely calling and seeing what he does on the turn. He could easily have worse jacks like dddem said. If 4.5 is his aggression frequency, just dump it now.