10NL, rivered set facing shove

Villain is 17/0/1 over 6 hands. He flats the utg open in the bb, c/c's the flop, checks the turn, and check/shoves the river. WTF? Ever folding?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($11.91)
Hero (UTG) ($22.14)
MP ($4.94)
CO ($10)
Button ($11.10)
SB ($2.98)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
Hero bets $0.30, 4 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.45) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.45) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $11.21 (All-In), Hero ?

No, never

/thread

aw poor wittle mike did he run into a weirdly played QQ or 45s? im soooooooooo sorry for you mike

more likely to be 666 than a straight

Snap call - never fold here - ever

yea i agree miffed, but if it was 666 i doubt he makes this thread

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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

aw poor wittle mike did he run into a weirdly played QQ or 45s? im soooooooooo sorry for you mike

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what an asshole

fwiw everytime i have overbet a non nut hand on the river and got shipped on i always lost

Flame thread flame thread

We're all assholes here, hadn't you noticed? This is so easy a call, that people probably think you're an asshole for posting this hand. But then I can talk, I got my AA top set 2nd fucking nuts beat HU by 8 fucking 6 fucking off suit and posted a thread to ask everyone a dumb question like "wft do I do with this hand in this spot" when my dog knows the answer. I'm an asshole for posting that thread, you're an asshole for posting this one, and everyone else is an asshole too, for various reasons. Philly is an asshole for being crap at sarcasm.

My opinion is if you are not willing to call that shove on the river, don't bet .40 cents preflop UTG.

That's the best hand you're hoping for, and his shoving range is 2p to any other set + bluffs. 1 out of 8 times or what not (threw a random # sorry, I dunno the math), he'll stack you. You're $8 to win $11, and you beat more than half the hands out there. That's a insta call.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) -
MP1 ($57.50)
MP2 ($73.50)
CO ($58.60)
Button ($49.45)
SB ($50)
Hero (BB) ($154)
UTG ($54.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
UTG bets $1.75, 2 folds, CO calls $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.50) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: ($5.50) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4, 1 fold

River: ($13.50) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8.50, UTG raises to $48.45 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $30.50 | Rake: $1.50

Results:
UTG didn't show
Outcome: UTG won $29


lul insta cawwwwls


hardly think this spot is an insta call as everyone else suggests nor do i think your an ass for posting it.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

posted a thread to ask everyone a dumb question like "wft do I do with this hand in this spot" when my dog knows the answer.

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Fuck, this made me lol. Don't know how may times i have posted after getting sand in my vagina from getting coolered or finally opened poker stove to post a hand only to discover the hand is ldo.

Edit:
Mikes hand: you require 34% to call. (8.21/23.87)

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.750% 43.75% 00.00% 21 0.00 { QQ, 66, 33-22, 54s }
Hand 1: 56.250% 56.25% 00.00% 27 0.00 { 88 }

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Originally Posted by Bbickes

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) -
MP1 ($57.50)
MP2 ($73.50)
CO ($58.60)
Button ($49.45)
SB ($50)
Hero (BB) ($154)
UTG ($54.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9:club:, 9:diamond:
UTG bets $1.75, 2 folds, CO calls $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.50) K:diamond:, J:diamond:, J:heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: ($5.50) 2:diamond: (3 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4, 1 fold

River: ($13.50) 9:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $8.50, UTG raises to $48.45 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $30.50 | Rake: $1.50

Results:
UTG didn't show
Outcome: UTG won $29


lul insta cawwwwls


hardly think this spot is an insta call as everyone else suggests nor do i think your an ass for posting it.

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VERY curious on this hand. Is folding the right move here?
I have no idea what to do here.

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Originally Posted by Zel

VERY curious on this hand. Is folding the right move here?
I have no idea what to do here.

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Obv. you had a very good reason. You only needed 36% to call. What range did you put him on or was it a "soul read"?

KK JJ. nits gonna nit. hes not bruffin ever and hes not shipping the nut floooosh

OP hand is different from bikes' hand in a ton of ways

hard to imagine bikes' hand isn't a crying call given we have correct odds to call if his range is nothing but boats and quads. so in order for it to be a fold, villain has to NEVER vbet worse than a boat, NEVER EVER EVER EVER bluff, ALWAYS play 99/KK AND be significantly less likely to play 22 this way

as for OP's hand, we only have a 6 hand sample on villain and there's no certainty he's a reg much less a nit. in fact, in order for him to play 54s this way, he has to be a fish. a fish is definitely going to view any set or better as the nuts since our hand looks so weak, and our line looks so full of shit. i'm not even completely surprised if villain spazzed here, afterall we're repping three combos (we just happen to have that hand)

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Originally Posted by surviva316

hard to imagine bikes' hand isn't a crying call given we have correct odds to call if his range is nothing but boats and quads. so in order for it to be a fold, villain has to NEVER vbet worse than a boat, NEVER EVER EVER EVER bluff, ALWAYS play 99/KK AND be significantly less likely to play 22 this way

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This is FR and he is a nit, so it seems very reasonable to think that 22 is not in his UTG opening range pre. Even if he does it with AdQd, it's still a fold. Also I don't play at these stakes, but it doesn't seem to me it's a good spot for a bluff?

Pot odds are 36.2%.

3 combos of KK, 1 combo of JJ, 1 combo of AdQd: we win only 20%.

I agree that Mike's hand is different and 6 hands is not enough to call the guy a nit.

it's more that we got shipped on after betting 2x pot than what his stats indicate.

i would rather overbet ship than take this line and even then i'm not so sure id overbet this river given the way the hand played out

as played its a /wrisssssssssst call

66/33/45s/QQ/AA
i mean, it's a call, but given the mad line and sizing it's not like you're always winning here

Failed to notice villain was utg opener in bikes' hand. Could def see a fold there then

hmm 6 hand sample, he probably has you beat here

OP hand i would never fold. i dont think a flop set/straight would ck again turn with the FD present, misses a lot of value here on turn for ck, i think villain is KQ,QJ,QT, 86, i would be very surprised if he had a set or a straight, line looks too passive. anyway, maybe he is a passive player and he has a set or straight, then like openside stove it, we still have enough equity, even if we add every 45o combo, we still have enough equity to call here so why not call it?

as for Bbickes hand i would fold turn. i am never sure if my 9 FH or my 9 diamond is ever good on river, even if its good, i donk think villain is ever stacking TPTK, J trips, or with a Flush on a paired board, so calling makes my hand unprofitable.

maybe wrong in both hands, just my opinion and the way i would play these 2 hands.

I am setting up a bluff in my hand. I bet the turn.

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Originally Posted by Bbickes

I am setting up a bluff in my hand. I bet the turn.

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oh yeah, sorry, didnt have my glasses when i read your hand. so you bet turn as bluff and river for value? in this case i would have made river c/r in your hand.

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

oh yeah, sorry, didnt have my glasses when i read your hand. so you bet turn as bluff and river for value? in this case i would have made river c/r in your hand.

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On the turn I'm setting up a multi street bluff trying to rep a J. I don't expect my diamond to be good very often but I have a lot more J's in my range than he does. I have AJs KJs and QJs and occasionally JTs if I chose not to 3b it. Which I probably wouldn't given where he raised from. I don't expect him to fold any hand that I want him to fold on the flop like AK QQ AA and the rare KQss and KQcc.

On the river when I make my hand with the 9 I have to vb as he's going to check back the hands I'm trying to get value from. Which would be AK, QQ AA and i doubt he calls 2 streets with KQ ever but I could be wrong so I have to pick a bet size that lets him make a mistake.

also if i was to bluff the river i would have chosen a different bet size.

Here's one from today that I chose not to fold.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($13.37)
Hero (MP2) ($9.10)
CO ($10.15)
Button ($15.40)
SB ($9.90)
BB ($10)
UTG ($18.66)
UTG+1 ($7.30)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6:club:, 6:heart:
3 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.65) 10:heart:, 7:diamond:, Q:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.45) 6:diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB raises to $2.10, Hero raises to $4.30, BB raises to $9.30 (All-In), Hero calls $4.10 (All-In)
River: ($18.25) K:diamond: (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $18.25 | Rake: $0.90

bet that turn harder yo

Why c are we c betting this flop? - (could be a leak for me and there is no villain info so idk)
as mentioned, Why are we betting so small on this turn? (leak for you)
Again maybe this villain is spewy ( and again maybe a leak for me ) but against most villains im probably calling turn c/r. If villain's range is sets (discounted b/c no flop c/r) and very often 89 + some draws (this range is hard to estimate with no information) we are better off flatting IMO.

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Originally Posted by PlayToWin

Here's one from today that I chose not to fold.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($13.37)
Hero (MP2) ($9.10)
CO ($10.15)
Button ($15.40)
SB ($9.90)
BB ($10)
UTG ($18.66)
UTG+1 ($7.30)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6:club:, 6:heart:
3 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.65) 10:heart:, 7:diamond:, Q:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.45) 6:diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB raises to $2.10, Hero raises to $4.30, BB raises to $9.30 (All-In), Hero calls $4.10 (All-In)
River: ($18.25) K:diamond: (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $18.25 | Rake: $0.90

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