BUTT KQo hits trips

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02-03-2011, 12:24 PM
Razvan729

BUTT KQo hits trips

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG ($3.24)
MP ($2.16)
CO ($1.85)
Hero (Button) ($3.02)
SB ($1.36)
BB ($2)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/qs.gif
UTG bets $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.26) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/tc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kd.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16, SB calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.74) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kh.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.22,

UTG is 30/20 AFq 79, his EP opening is 17% over 300 hands. i called on him because with KQo because he is an easy play. top of his range( AQso+, TT+) opens 6bb and the rest 4bb( 22+, JTs+, AJo, KQ) . on flop he never slowplays, TPTK+ pots the flop and the rest cbets on any high card flop ( Qhigh+, paired board, flush board, straight board), knowing all this about him i said calling is ok cause i know when to call him and when to fold or reraise him.

SB is completely unkown.

what do i do here on turn? UTG i know for sure is on a FD,gutshot or a low PP, but he has no full or K.

not knowing what SB will do confuse me, he ck flop then called,now he ck again turn, so he could be 77, TT or a gutshot or FD .i dont think he has AK here.

do i call here and fold to SB reraise or i reraise to get SB all in?
02-03-2011, 01:17 PM
couriermike

I understand you have a read but I still don't like cold-calling ep raises with KQo, at best you're in the middle of his range. But that's just my opinion.

OTT, you have to raise to charge draws. And call it off against SB of course, he doesn't have alot left anyway. SB is a fish, you're crushing his range. You definitely want to get ai against him. If UTG reraises or jams, which he almost never will, but if he did, it's probably a fold.
02-03-2011, 01:54 PM
daviddem

I would also prefer to either 3b or fold preflop.

On the flop, if you are so sure that he does not have a K, why do you not raise this wet board? You can get called by lots of draws and worse kings if the SB holds one.

As played, raise the turn for the same reason. Obviously get it in if SB shoves over your raise. Fold if UTG reraises.
02-03-2011, 02:03 PM
thelorax

Make it .90 and fold to an UTG shove.
02-03-2011, 02:25 PM
Shotglass

I would have folded pre for the reasons that mike stated. KQo would be ok to limp behind or open raise to steal, but not cold call.
Raise the flop to about $0.45; decent hand but vulnerable to draws.
Raise the turn to about $0.90 to $1; for the same reasons as the flop, call if/when the SB shoves.
However I disagree with folding to a reraise by UTG. If your read's correct then you have the best hand now...best to get it in if he does shove because if he misses the draws then he most likely will shut down on the river.
02-03-2011, 02:26 PM
Miffed22001

generally dont like to call preflop but if i did see 30/20 on my HUD id probably call sometimes.

Im calling the flop with the intention on taking away on flushy turns and calling down if villain doesnt want to get the pot big quickly.

Hes only bet a 3rd of the pot on the turn but i wouldnt want to make the pot huge when he likely isnt calling a turn raise AND river bet unless he has a King as well - but his bet is weak-ass so id probably mash the raise button - to keep Sb out or let him chase for bad odds - with position i guess you can control the river betting but raising the turn allows villain to play his hand without a mistake.
02-03-2011, 02:37 PM
StarGrinder

Folding with marginal hands to UTG raises saves you money and getting in situations such as this.
02-03-2011, 02:49 PM
d0zer

pre is fine as long as you don't suck postflop.

I raise/call turn. there's lots of draws this looser player may just jam in, his sizing isn't indicative of AK+, and there's worse kangs we can get value from before board gets scarier
02-03-2011, 03:49 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

pre is fine as long as you don't suck postflop.

I raise/call turn. there's lots of draws this looser player may just jam in, his sizing isn't indicative of AK+, and there's worse kangs we can get value from before board gets scarier

are we all that worried about UTG having any type of FD except a small % of the time?
02-03-2011, 04:10 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

are we all that worried about UTG having any type of FD except a small % of the time?

well it is a 3-way, and between the SB and UTG, there's a non-trivial amount of 98 and two-club hands in their ranges. EP is opening close to 20% UTG so there's more than enough sooted hands that many players wouldn't have in their UTG opening ranges.

This spot is gunna be a fair bit different than a UTG vs BU situation vs an ok low stakes reg as this guy doesn't seem very positionally aware and is probably more of a laggfish with bad aggressive postflop tendencies, and given that he's not building the pot fast enough on the turn, raising seems essential vs someone with a wide range, and a presumed fish in the SB.
02-03-2011, 04:45 PM
philly and the phanatics

yea he's a 30/20 do not mind calling pre at all, especially if SB is a whale.

As for being scared of SB, he is not likely to have a set after c/c'ing the flop on this board. You still have sets in your range cause you could be hoping for the overcall, but when he closes action with the call i'd take out most combos of sets (at least half) just because of how scary this board is. And if his stack size is an indication of his tendencies then he is going to have a bunch of worse K's that i would happily get it in against.

As for UTG i am raise/callign vs him too, if your read is right about AK/AA/KK not being possible here we are crushing his range that is likely composed of a few straight flush combos (like 5) and QJ (12 combos) 89s (3 combos after you take out the clubs)...maybe some KJ (4 combos) /KT (3combos) /K9s (1combo) and maybe TT/77 (6combos)
02-03-2011, 04:46 PM
philly and the phanatics

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

well it is a 3-way, and between the SB and UTG, there's a non-trivial amount of 98 and two-club hands in their ranges. EP is opening close to 20% UTG so there's more than enough sooted hands that many players wouldn't have in their UTG opening ranges.

This spot is gunna be a fair bit different than a UTG vs BU situation vs an ok low stakes reg as this guy doesn't seem very positionally aware and is probably more of a laggfish with bad aggressive postflop tendencies, and given that he's not building the pot fast enough on the turn, raising seems essential vs someone with a wide range, and a presumed fish in the SB.

yea i agree also he's gonna have QJ as well as 89
02-03-2011, 05:32 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

yea i agree also he's gonna have QJ as well as 89

oh right. those OESDs also. yeah.