2NL 6 max - 3/4b spot with AK

Opp is 25/17/2AF/23%3b over 52 hands (he 3b 3 hands out of 13 where he had a chance to)

I stacked off with him in H1 below and won. I well noted that he called the 3b OOP with a rather marginal holding (he had no reason to think at that stage that I was 3b-bluffing).

H1 (only provided as a read for H2, so results are relevant here):

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
iPoker
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($4.65)
CO ($2.30)
BTN ($1.97)
SB ($2.11)
Hero ($2)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 5 players) Hero is BB :ks: :ah:
UTG raises to $0.07, 2 folds, SB calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.28, UTG calls $0.21, SB folds

Flop: :ac: :9d: :3h: ($0.61, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.31, UTG raises to $1.56, Hero goes all-in $1.41, UTG calls $0.16

Turn: :kd: ($4.05, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: :kh: ($4.05, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $4.05
Hero shows
:ks: :ah:
UTG shows
:jd: :ad:

Hero wins $3.80 (net +$1.80)

UTG lost $2
SB lost $0.08


A few hands later comes H2. My question here is whether to 4b to something like $0.8 or to just shove over. My concern with the 4b to $0.8 is if he flats it and I brick the flop. Also with the dynamic from the hand before, I think he is likely to call with some of his worse dominated hands or lay down some of his smaller PP which are a slight favorite in an all-in. Is shoving OK here? If not and we 4b and he calls, what's the plan for the flop?

His range for 3b (I gave him some Axs as bluffs given his high 3b% and the dynamic of the previous hand): 77+,A7s+,KQs,AJo+
His range for calling a 4b or the shove are the same imo, probably 99+,Ajs+,AQo+ and he may well call wider than that because of dynamics.

H2

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
iPoker
5 Players
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Stacks:
Hero ($3.79)
CO ($2.58)
BTN ($2.29)
SB ($1.02)
BB ($2.04)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 5 players) Hero is UTG :ah: :kh:
Hero raises to $0.08, CO raises to $0.27, 3 folds, $0.19 to Hero ($3.71)?

I'd shove for sure. Reason is if we 4 bet and he shoves we are priced in (even if we 3 bet smaller). If the dynamic is such that he is calling so wide i'd rather get it in now against the calling range we are way ahead of than play in a tricky spot oop when he isnt at the top of his range and get it in when he 5 bets against the top.

I think that you are misreading the stats and its skewing your ranges simply because of sample size.He is 25/17 over 52 hands so he has raised 9 hands . The 3 bet of 13% only applies to hands where he was already facing a raiseso depending on the table he could only be making his 2nd or 3rd 3bet if it kept being limped to him.

Having seen you 3bet with AK is he really going too be stacking off with 99 tt JJ AJ AQ if you 4bet/shove?.

Sorry I made a mistake and his 3b% is 23% (now corrected in OP). That is still only 3 hands though.

The ranges I give him may be too wide. One of the reasons is that I have seen him twice call 3b OOP, one of which with AJ in H1 where he stacks off rather lightly on the flop. Another is that even though 23% 3b is not very significant over this sample, it tends to be on the high side (yes I understand the stat: he 3b 23% of the times that he had an opportunity to, which is 3 hands out of 13). And the last one is that I have a suspicion that he is tilting from H1 which just happened.

Even if he calls a shove only with JJ+,AQs or QQ+,AQs, I still have 43-44% equity so I calculated that if he folds 30% of the time to the shove the play has a positive expectation (and yes I do understand that it does not mean that this is the highest EV play).


Whichever way:
- I am not calling the 3b OOP
- I am not folding
- that leaves shoving or 4b to $X

Which should it be?

Results? Why?

Quote:

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Originally Posted by !Luck

Results? Why?

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Because H1 is only provided as a background to the actual question, which is H2. See it as a read. I edited the OP to state that H1 is only a read.

In 6max id 4bet/call

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

In 6max id 4bet/call

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OK but if he flats the 4b and you miss the flop what is the plan? Do you cbet any flop? And if not which flops do you cbet and which not?

Also, what size would you 4b to?

he's 3b 3 times in 50 hands and this is his 4th? I'm perfectly fine 4b/calling here. If you get called and miss, then play some postflop. In 4b pots you can get away with really small cbets (1/4-1/3rd pot), and there's nothing wrong with c/f'ing a QJx or some equally horrible board.

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Originally Posted by daviddem

OK but if he flats the 4b and you miss the flop what is the plan? Do you cbet any flop? And if not which flops do you cbet and which not?

Also, what size would you 4b to?

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His range for flatting a 4 bet answers that question when we blank the flop

Also, how much 4bet flatting happens at 2nl?!?!

I think you are thinking a little too hard about this hand - and i mean this genuinely. From what i remember and still see in these micro games (im only back playing 25nl myself) your opponents are either nutjobs happy to get it in with 88 pre or they are super nitty and arent getting it in without KK+ pre.
You HUD isnt the be all and end all, especially on sample size here, but with the info given you should be 4betting with no intention of ever folding preflop. If you brick the flop then you have to decide whether you just shove it or c/f it - thats the more difficult bit. IMO preflop decision in microstakes games should be trivial - depending on your opponent you should know exactly how you are going to play this and the next street if they raise or call etc

Im horrible at bet sizing so i would bet something that means im never folding preflop

I'd 4b to around $1 and call the shove. No chance of folding.
If it bricks then I'd cbet about $0.60 to $0.75 to make it look like a suck bet and maybe get him to fold a better hand.
If it hits...TPTK, top two, or NFD then I'm going to put him all in.