two QQ hands 100nl

villain is a heavy multitabling grinder who loves preflop aggression. I just reinstalled PT3 and deleted my old hands but I'd guess he runs 25/20 with a 12-14% 3bet regardless of position. UTG is a fish. I think 4bet/getting it in is going to be bad but I'm really uncertain what kinds of hands he would get it in with preflop. is flat flop + fold to turn barrel standard?

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saw flop

BB ($117.30)
UTG ($55.95)
MP ($100)
CO ($164.50)
Button ($152.30)
Hero (SB) ($102)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:club:, Q:spade:
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, Hero bets $4.50, BB raises to $14.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($30) 10:heart:, 6:diamond:, 6:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $18, Hero calls $18

Turn: ($66) 10:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $30, Hero...




SB is a tightish reg who I've never seen cold 4bet bluff, plus his sizing looks like he is begging me to call. I had not been 3betting a lot on this table or any of the tables we were both on. If anything he had been 3betting me a fair amount... Do you call preflop just to see if he shuts down on non A/K flops? I suppose this is JJ at least 10% of the time if he doesn't fold it but idk what a tight player would usually do with JJ in his spot.

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saw flop

Button ($124.95)
SB ($100)
BB ($100)
UTG ($101.50)
Hero (MP) ($138.50)
CO ($270.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q:club:, Q:diamond:
UTG bets $3, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, SB raises to $22, Hero...

i d fold 1 and flat 2

fold 1, try to flop a set in 2

how is 4b/call vs someone so loose going to be bad in hand1? Unless he views you as a meganit who has an absurdly tight 4betting range or something :?:

hand2 I'm not folding, but I think jamming is non-optimal vs someone so tight. I also think there's merit in calling UTG's open vs a lot of 100NL regs (the ones who have high fold to 3b%) who are gunna have very tight "continuing to 3b" range when they open UTG.

Yeah 4b call can't be bad in 1 just because his 3betting range is so wide here. Play with stove, even he only 5bets QQ+,AK which is pretty damn nitty, you gots 40%. Add to that the times he spazz 5b jams or has TT/JJ.

Flatting it pre might be more profitable if his 3bet is super polarized here, but from experience these 12%+ 3bettors' range is usually balanced instead.

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Originally Posted by Alexos

Flatting it pre might be more profitable if his 3bet is super polarized here, but from experience these 12%+ 3bettors' range is usually balanced instead.

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Yeah I can't imagine many (if any) 12% 3bettors not shoving TT,JJ there vs the vast majority of regs, but if hero's image is too nitty -- there might not be many if any bluffs in there (not that we need there to be with TT+,AK but it's always nice)

I'd snap 4 bet/call in H1 unless I had a read that he folded to a shitload of 4 bets. Plenty worse is shoving over you here and winning dead money frequently OOP here is certainly not a whole lot worse than playing this postflop.

Hand 1:
As played, how come no one is suggesting that we crai on the flop? If we have something like AQhh/KQhh in this spot, we are for sure shoving flop so we should shove flop here with QQ.

great thanks everyone, my image is slightly nitty at worst so I know now in this spot in the future I can 4bet/call profitably in hand 1. my confusion was that I wouldn't expect BB to be 3betting me light -- I usually flat TT in his position unless I've seen the open raiser doing a lot of isolating PF as I perceive an isolation raise from the SB as very strong. d0zer/carroters what's the worst hand you've seen BB get it in with in a spot like this (SB vs BB)? I'm realizing now this spot isn't greatly different than BTN isolating + BB squeezing.

hand 2 I think most regs 4bet/f UTG and while I like flatting AA in this spot I think doing it with QQ without some squeezers behind or vs a true nit is going to be less profitable than 3bet/5bet shoving

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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

I'm realizing now this spot isn't greatly different than BTN isolating + BB squeezing.

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Well I think it is because most regs here don't iso fish nearly wide enough OOP, where most of them are plenty comfortable to iso light IP, so you should expect the 3bet %s to reflect that, but someone 3betting as much as this guy is...fek just get it in.

I'm not sure what you mean by "most regs 4b/f UTG", this is not my experience at all.

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Originally Posted by d0zer

Well I think it is because most regs here don't iso fish nearly wide enough OOP, where most of them are plenty comfortable to iso light IP, so you should expect the 3bet %s to reflect that, but someone 3betting as much as this guy is...fek just get it in.

I'm not sure what you mean by "most regs 4b/f UTG", this is not my experience at all.

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I just mean i see a lot of 4b/f going on by the regs

yea okay I did at first think the SB isolation was different but from the responses I was starting to think otherwise

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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

I just mean i see a lot of 4b/f going on by the regs

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that's like 10 times more common in LP/blind battles than it is UTG vs BU. When an UTG 4bets my 3bet he's like never folding in these games

Hand 2 I'm really in between calling and folding

Does anyone want to flat the turn on hand one, then shove any non A or K flush that hits and a river Q

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Originally Posted by Numbr2intheWorld

Does anyone want to flat the turn on hand one, then shove any non A or K flush that hits and a river Q

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lol no but sounds like a good plan!

Hand 1 4 bet call is a must vs a 10% 3 bettor.

Hand 1 I like JL's line of CR flop or call down no A or Ks. 4 bet isn't bad either, or...

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Originally Posted by Numbr2intheWorld

Does anyone want to flat the turn on hand one, then shove any non A or K flush that hits and a river Q

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Hand 1:
does the fact that BB's 3b is larger than necessary, and committing to a shove from the fish make this PF spot any less appealing to you guys? (on top of the fact that i don't expect someone even with a 12% 3b to 3b TT/JJ in this spot)