10/25 KQ oop

k dabbling in some cash games to take a break from sngs and mtt's and I'm pretty terrible, bad line here?. no reads, 6 or 7 hands in, seen him limp once then fold to a raise. yea sure i should of folded pre.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($31.48)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($17.23)
MP3 ($15.75)
CO ($25)
Button ($25)
SB ($25)
Hero (BB) ($24.75)
UTG ($17.51)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K:heart:, Q:diamond:
4 folds, MP3 bets $0.85, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) K:diamond:, 8:heart:, 4:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP3 raises to $3.25, Hero calls $2.25

Turn: ($8.30) 5:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($18.30) 4:club: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks

what was your reasoning for leading flop as opposed to c/c or c/r?

I don't see a lot of merit to leading this flop, better to check and let him cbet air + protects our checking range. As played if we choose to flat his flop raise (3betting seems lolbad) then calling turn + river seems necessary.

just figured i could get calls for worse Kx and pp's, but i guess he's betting those anyways, should i ever donk this flop with air?

meh not relly its pretty transparent, i like snap raise when i get donked on dry boards like this and get folds all day. If you are going to donk air then you have to also donk some good hands otherwise your play becomes too easily exploitable...

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Originally Posted by fulksy

just figured i could get calls for worse Kx and pp's, but i guess he's betting those anyways, should i ever donk this flop with air?

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Well think about this. If he has air you'll win if he doesn't rebluff. BUT if he has air he's cbetting 100% of the time. C/r the flop earns you his cbet as well. Of course there's merits to c/c as a float too.

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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

meh not relly its pretty transparent, i like snap raise when i get donked on dry boards like this and get folds all day. If you are going to donk air then you have to also donk some good hands otherwise your play becomes too easily exploitable...

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Yeah same which is why I think OP's play COULD be good as long as we know villain plays like us.

fold pre. Don't lead flop.

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Originally Posted by daven

fold pre. Don't lead flop.

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this.

thanks all, this is why i'm brutal at cash, (i know calling pre was pretty bad), but i really didn't think v batting flop was that bad, as i thought he would still raise air enough for it to be ok, but your explanations make way more sense.

leading flop to induce just isn't gonna have as high an expectation as taking a regular c/c line without history and reads

so what are we betting the flop with?

nothing imo