flopped set, turn action?

villain is 10/10 over 30, no reads.

I want to bet the turn because it becomes drawy and i dont want to give a free card. But really the only draws in his range connecting to this board that i can think of are JJ and AKs though, so im not sure.
Also in favour of betting is that I might be betting my draw so he might spaz with an overpair.

So i bet right?
Also is flop ok? Should i have raised his halfpot cbet?

Button ($17.74)
SB ($10.05)
Hero (BB) ($12.01)
UTG ($20.48)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($10.27)
MP3 ($13.70)
CO ($9.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8:diamond:, 8:club:
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.35, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) 9:diamond:, 8:spade:, 3:club: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.47) 10:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets...?

I would donk or c/r the flop. You should be trying to get stacks in. A good line in this spot is stack-a-donk: lead flop, c/r turn, shove river. When you're way ahead, worry more about getting the money in than what he might call with. If he folds, you probably weren't going to win alot anyway, but you can't waste legitimate chances to stack people, esp at 10NL where everybody's on semi-tilt anyway.

i think flop is fine, i cant see him on a straight draw on flop, that would mean he opened QJso, J10so, Q10so, etc.

turn i would bet pot and if reraised then shove.

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Originally Posted by mbiz

Also is flop ok? Should i have raised his halfpot cbet?

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I think this is correct. You want to be fattening the pot while you are ahead.

I scrolled down your post and was surprised you didnt check raise.


IMO checking here and flatting the Cbet is advanced post-flop play that gets into trouble spots.

So , im interested in why you chose this line.

Did you not raise the flop bet because it exposes your Set ?
Do you think this line is the way to go versus this 10/10 villian ?

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Originally Posted by celtic123

Did you not raise the flop bet because it exposes your Set ?

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This is the only reason I would flat the flop. We don't want him folding his many combos of AK, AQ or his small pairs. Having said that, I rarely have the discipline to play sets cunningly, I just get dollar signs in my eyes and jam. I'm c/raising this flop because I want maximum value from overpairs.

As played bet turn $1 or so, it's a tempting bet if he has AQ/AK spades, though still a mistake for him to call since he has no live overcards and two dead spades. Obviously if he raises we shove. If river is spade, J, Q or 7, I c/c, giving him the chance to bluff, other rivers I'd half-pot.

I've been reading, and thinking a lot on checkraising. I don't think a checkraise with a set is as good as everyone is making it out to be.

The problem with the move, is that it immediately alerts your opponent to the fact that you've got a hand *worth* checkraising.

If your opponent is going to bring a PSB then C/C>Donking>CR, If your opponent is going to make a passive bet at it like 1/2 pot, then Donking>C/C>CR. I think the only way a CR is legit is if opponent is spewy and willing to commit with an overpair here.

Not only that, but you have to be able to get the amount of money back through the checkraise, that you would have originally bet. Which may happen, but it just about kills any turn action you may get.

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Originally Posted by Ragnar4

I've been reading, and thinking a lot on checkraising. I don't think a checkraise with a set is as good as everyone is making it out to be.

The problem with the move, is that it immediately alerts your opponent to the fact that you've got a hand *worth* checkraising.

If your opponent is going to bring a PSB then C/C>Donking>CR, If your opponent is going to make a passive bet at it like 1/2 pot, then Donking>C/C>CR. I think the only way a CR is legit is if opponent is spewy and willing to commit with an overpair here.

Not only that, but you have to be able to get the amount of money back through the checkraise, that you would have originally bet. Which may happen, but it just about kills any turn action you may get.

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In this case, I think flatting is fine. There aren't many draws out there for either person, so a check raise from the hero is much more likely to mean "Your overpair is no good" to the villain. The more drawy the board, the better it is to check raise with a balance between your monsters and your strong draws.

@OP, what's your opponent's range when he bets the flop? How does he play this range if you check/raise? Do you want any check/raise bluffs in your range? If so then with what hands? If not, then why are you worried about check/raising here?

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Originally Posted by Ragnar4

The problem with the move, is that it immediately alerts your opponent to the fact that you've got a hand *worth* checkraising.

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If that's true then you should bluff more.

his flop sizing is weak/weird. Flatting is fine, c-raise isn't awful.
As played donk turn and hope Ts gave him some perceived equity. You want to try and get a big pot here, turn check-check doesn't build pots so well.

I don't really see a point in checking turn vs villain unless to induce something he's barreling AQ/AJ, KQ/KJ here, but even those hands will probably look you up if you donk pretty often here(maybe not AQ/KQ)

depends on my image, if i have been c/r'ing a lot of flops then ldo i am c/r'ing but against a complete unknown whose stats i have somehow procured, the flop is dry enough that you can check/call and build the pot on the turn/river.

I would lead the turn, and snap off a shove as he is going to have more 2pairs/overpairs than straights imo.