Originally Posted by
Lukie
note: in the first part of my reply i'm responding under the impression that our 2 opponents are playing their 24/24 strategy while we're opening on the button as a direct result of our 100% attempt to steal. specifically they are adapting, not necessarily ideally.
this is inherently flawed.
let's ignore limping for now because it's hard to quantify and we're not actually going to limp our button.
raising every hand is profitable in this situation but not necessarily ideal.
example: say instead of stealing 100%, we use sauce's strategy and fold our worst 10% of hands. our opponents instead now 3-bet us with their top 20% of hands and makes the large majority of our hands more profitable and likely our range more profitable as a whole.
I see your point. In my experience people tend to not adjust to small frequency changes, such as here, so I think 100% open is likely better than 90% open.
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part 2: if we are actually playing bots that don't change their strategy depending on what we're doing, we could probably engineer a specific strategy to take advantage of these players.
it might go something like the following (totally winging this off the top of my head):
- raise any hand that we would eventually call a 5-bet shove with (they are each 3-betting 24% and 5-bet spewing a decent amount, so we'll say something like TT+AQ+. Note: similar to the above concept of profitable but not necessarily ideal, just because 4-bet/calling is profitable does not necessarily make it better than another strategy, such as calling a 3-bet).
against this opponent there is absolutely no reason to ever 4-bet bluff (or to polarize your range or whatever you want to call it); just 4-bet call the top part of your range and be done with it.
- raise any hand that we can profitably call a 3-bet with. these are mostly your good but not great hands. yeah we're predictable but so what
- call (limp) drawing type hands that are likely profitable to limp with but not profitable to call a 3-bet with (raising would be just a tiny shade above positive expectation and the exact same as our worst hands). this might include stuff like 75s but of course it depends a lot on their strategy (2-bet frequency, 3-bet bet amount, post-flop strategy)
- raise garbage, folding to a 3-bet. this is probably the majority of our hands, unless limping our button is a lot better than i have always had the impression of. who knows
nit point to make: the sb 3-betting can/should/does affect the bb's range, but that's not really in the spirit of the thread. see above.
